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May 05, 2020 05:19 |  #586

Even if folks are attending a wedding, they will be wearing masks for quite some time, which makes for terrible pics. Sporting events are also gone for the time being and it's a double whammy for me. I have a pending senior that wanted to be in all the spring and summer rugby tournaments to obtain some form of scholarship and that isn't happening either. No game to shoot and no tournaments to catch the eye of college recruiters. :( My one daughter is also in the frontline everyday and they don't have enough masks to hand out so she had to reuse hers for 4 weeks at a time. I pray for her safety everyday.

The effects of this will go through the fall of 2021. Will I get an R5? Maybe but not until the dust settles with others using it and my stock portfolio keeps increasing.


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May 05, 2020 08:52 |  #587

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...But getting back to the camera. People seem to be in the belief that the camera world is made up of professionals. It contributes of course but...

It is the amateur, serious amateur and wealthy (enough) pensioners that make up the bulk of the market for both lens, cameras and accessories.

The R5 will sell like hotcakes and the back order lists will be very very long.

Just a quick peak at CIPA data shows that the camera market for the first quarter has plunged even more than last year. I'm speculating here but I think it's the amateur market that has abandon large cameras in favor of phone cameras leaving only the enthusiasts, wealthy pensioners, and professionals. SLR sales have fallen to pre-2004 levels and mirror-less production has fallen to it's lowest level since CIPA tracked mirror-less camera production. It may sell like hot cakes when compared to other bodies, but the market is just a fraction of what it was just a few short years ago.


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May 05, 2020 08:54 |  #588

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Even if folks are attending a wedding, they will be wearing masks for quite some time, which makes for terrible pics. Sporting events are also gone for the time being and it's a double whammy for me. I have a pending senior that wanted to be in all the spring and summer rugby tournaments to obtain some form of scholarship and that isn't happening either. No game to shoot and no tournaments to catch the eye of college recruiters. :( My one daughter is also in the frontline everyday and they don't have enough masks to hand out so she had to reuse hers for 4 weeks at a time. I pray for her safety everyday.

The effects of this will go through the fall of 2021. Will I get an R5? Maybe but not until the dust settles with others using it and my stock portfolio keeps increasing.


We almost have our studio finished on our property. I had a few carry overs from 2019 bookings but lost them all. No HS seniors as graduations and everyone is on lock down until last week......I dont see anything looking like normal until 2021.....so no new Camera for me for a while....1Dx2 and 5D4 will have to do :-P:-P:-P:-P

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May 05, 2020 10:21 |  #589

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Looks like they answered the Image stabilization questions. It works in conjunction with existing IS lens....so its going to add 5 stops IBIS in addition to what you already have. Version 2 lens should be killer on this body

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the action or an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space.

It is also looking like this is really a big big video upgrade camera. Lots of good things for still photographers. But video guys will love it

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May 05, 2020 10:43 |  #590

Oh, and posts re; COVID death rates and politics deleted of course.

A shame that meant aspects of the discussion of impact on your work went with it,. that was on topic.

It is a cause and effect thing. The moment someone posts death rates, the next reply is political, and so on. When it gets reported, I will delete it.


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May 05, 2020 10:56 |  #591

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Oh, and posts re; COVID death rates and politics deleted of course.

A shame that meant aspects of the discussion of impact on your work went with it,. that was on topic.

It is a cause and effect thing. The moment someone posts death rates, the next reply is political, and so on. When it gets reported, I will delete it.


Yeah sorry

was not trying to be political at all. I do think its going to be a major factor for photography business models. I would buy new cameras at every release. Not gonna happen right now


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May 05, 2020 11:04 |  #592

The impact on so many industries is without question catastrophic. I work in performing arts,. I am fortunate that I also teach it in a university, but all my friends and associates, everyone in this industry, they are all unemployed.
The wedding situation is just freaking terrible. for the industry and the individuals alike. We were scheduled to fly down to Maryland in April for our good friends wedding, she as it happens is a photographer who does weddings,. and she has Lupis,.

so now she is out of the wonderful wedding she had planned, out of work, and is struggling to get hold of her medication. :(
tough times indeed.


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May 05, 2020 18:08 |  #593

To be brief, Mike, but restate what I already posted,
those current health elements which include

  • concern about groups of more than 10
  • concern about close proximity -- less than 6' spacing -- of individuals
  • the use or non-use of masks in conjunction with 6' spacing
  • severity of outcomes for anyone with pre-existing conditions or advancing age

all make for poor group dynamics for the typical wedding of the past, with
  • groups of 100-400
  • individuals in close proximity, including desired involvement for very elderly family members of the bride/groom
  • inability to wear masks while drinking and eating
  • crowded dance floors

because we do not yet have a means to
  • vaccinate -- with proven efficacy
  • test enough of the population, repeatedly and with sufficient frequency to detect current actively infected yet asymptomatic persons

For risk-accepting somewhat youthful wedding participants and guests, that might work 'If I get sick, I will recover"
But that fails to address the presence of grandparents and parents and others with pre-existing medical conditions which place them in the vulnerable population of guests.
How long will groups of more than 50 be too risky to authorities?
Until all of that is sorted out, the wedding market in general is in dire straits. Hopefully, on the Pro side, the bride's family spends less on festivities and puts the money into a home for the new couple, instead. Less 'wasteful', IMHO.

The photographers who cover them can begin even with wedding groups limited to 10, who sit widely spaced while they eat or stand far apart while they drink strong enough liquor to destroy the virus intake thru the mouth, but grandad and grandma (maybe even Mom and Dad) cannot be there unless they shelter in the corner (and from the well documented and analyzed case we know that is insufficient!), and limit mixing to masked encounters with frequent hand washing. We don't want weddings to be like living in assisted living homes, with huge outbreaks because we bring in lots of folks from all over for these events. Since less money is spent on food and booze for guests, it is relatively easier to ask for the same amount of money for 6 hours of wedding coverage.

Lastly, folks need to be able to pay for weddings. A lot less of those are around right now. According to History, the Great Depression suffered 25% unemployment, and even at the beginning of WWII about 10 years later the levels were 15%...unfortunately it took a world conflict to get the economy on its feet once more and into prosperity. Hopefully we can recover faster this time, without the world conflict.

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May 05, 2020 19:56 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #594

I am starting to see venues shut down too and going up for sale, just a few months ago all were booked solid and demanding top dollar.

Mike with that studio you are building, maybe an event all near the property somewhere would be a good investment later since so many sites will have closed up?


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May 05, 2020 23:30 |  #595

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Even if folks are attending a wedding, they will be wearing masks for quite some time, which makes for terrible pics. Sporting events are also gone for the time being and it's a double whammy for me. I have a pending senior that wanted to be in all the spring and summer rugby tournaments to obtain some form of scholarship and that isn't happening either. No game to shoot and no tournaments to catch the eye of college recruiters. :( My one daughter is also in the frontline everyday and they don't have enough masks to hand out so she had to reuse hers for 4 weeks at a time. I pray for her safety everyday.

The effects of this will go through the fall of 2021. Will I get an R5? Maybe but not until the dust settles with others using it and my stock portfolio keeps increasing.

I hear you. My daughter will be a senior and has been fielding calls from coaches regarding athletic scholarships. No spring track season this year! But at least with track and XC, there are objective times that can be reviewed by the coaches.




  
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May 06, 2020 08:25 |  #596

Here is the bottom line for me

People that pay for photography service have some disposable income to pay for it. Photography is a luxury and not a necessity.......with the economy in shambles, I think people are going to be reluctant to part with cash for photography services......Hobbyist​s and techies with $$$ to burn will probably line up to buy new released cameras......I think people that photograph for $$$$ and buy equipment for those needs and going to be hard pressed to buy this R5 for another year, or at least until things improve with the economy.......that my thoughts and im sticking to them.

This R5 is probably going to be an amazing camera release. Canon needs to be very careful with its price point.....closer to 5K and I just cant for a while....My 1Dx2 has 120K on the shutter....I see another 3 yrs on this body


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May 06, 2020 14:01 |  #597

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Here is the bottom line for me

People that pay for photography service have some disposable income to pay for it. Photography is a luxury and not a necessity.......with the economy in shambles, I think people are going to be reluctant to part with cash for photography services......Hobbyist​s and techies with $$$ to burn will probably line up to buy new released cameras......I think people that photograph for $$$$ and buy equipment for those needs and going to be hard pressed to buy this R5 for another year, or at least until things improve with the economy.......that my thoughts and im sticking to them.

This R5 is probably going to be an amazing camera release. Canon needs to be very careful with its price point.....closer to 5K and I just cant for a while....My 1Dx2 has 120K on the shutter....I see another 3 yrs on this body

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May 07, 2020 12:10 |  #599

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We almost have our studio finished on our property. I had a few carry overs from 2019 bookings but lost them all. No HS seniors as graduations and everyone is on lock down until last week......I dont see anything looking like normal until 2021.....so no new Camera for me for a while....1Dx2 and 5D4 will have to do :-P:-P:-P:-P

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Our business which normally exceeds 85K a year is now on its butt....WE Lost all weddings for 2020.....
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