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Mar 10, 2020 07:44 |  #31

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……………...The hardest part of the judging was the long break between the end of judging and the program. Over cookies the members would ask about the images that were less successful. Sometimes it's hard to say anything encouraging about an image to an earnest and enthusiastic photographer who has no discernible talent. You just have be encouraging and point them to resources. That why I like participating here, you can help break down an image and help someone in a methodical way that you can't in that setting.

I agree gonzo, that can be quite challenging. You want to be honest, encouraging and not crush any creative spirit. This is why so often it's difficult to find really qualified and helpful judges. It's easy to comment on a well done photo but a different story when the image needs work.

When I'm faced with those situations I try to understand where the photographer is coming from and build a helpful critique from that direction. I believe that every image I've ever seen has at least one or more strong elements that you can build upon in your comments. Perhaps it's a great idea that was poorly executed. Or maybe it's a solid composition but the photographer's technical skills are lacking. Start with the good aspects of an image and then tell the person what they can do to make it better. Do this in a kind and understanding way and you can never go wrong.

I have a friend - quite a talented photographer, but a bit harsh in his social skills at times - who no longer gets invited back to certain clubs. It's not very helpful during a critique session when your first comment is "This image does nothing for me.":rolleyes:


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Mar 10, 2020 08:11 |  #32

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I have a friend - quite a talented photographer, but a bit harsh in his social skills at times - who no longer gets invited back to certain clubs. It's not very helpful during a critique session when your first comment is "This image does nothing for me.":rolleyes:

at least he didn't say "this image suX"

The competition I attended recently most of the comments were about composition, crop from this or that angle. and then they ran short of time and they just read scores only.
At least the judge like my boogie boarder enough to say why it stunk (my words) she said the composition was good but brought out the processing, which I agree with. I had trouble bringing up the water while protecting the boogier.
I like the critique corner here as you can get some good feedback


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Mar 10, 2020 08:12 |  #33

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Ironically, when one says "they take photos for the art of it", art in its very nature is for the beholder, not the creator. So if you are into photography for the art, it can only be art if others are shown that work and they evaluate it.

I understand art, the concept, differently. Trying to make something that has artistic merit needn't be a social enterprise. Why exclude the creator from the class of people who appreciate and benefit from artworks? Does an eye for art vanish when one views ("beholds") one's own work and reappear when one views others'?


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Mar 10, 2020 08:19 |  #34

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I understand art, the concept, differently. Trying to make something that has artistic merit needn't be a social enterprise. Why exclude the creator from the class of people who appreciate and benefit from artworks? Does an eye for art vanish when one views ("beholds") one's own work and reappear when one views others'?
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I very much agree. . As far as art being for the beholder, well, as far as I'm concerned, the beholder can be just the artist . . I don't see why any others need to be involved in the process in order for it to be considered art. . If I make something that is very pleasing to me, then I don't really care if someone else considers it to be art or not, anyway.


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Mar 10, 2020 08:27 |  #35

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I very much agree. . As far as art being for the beholder, well, as far as I'm concerned, the beholder can be just the artist . . I don't see why any others need to be involved in the process in order for it to be considered art. . If I make something that is very pleasing to me, then I don't really care if someone else considers it to be art or not, anyway.

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fully agree, look at the banana ducktaped to the wall. I don't consider that art but that is just me


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Mar 11, 2020 12:30 |  #36

When I was a member of an excellent daily on line photo contest there was a category called digital art. It encompassed heavy HDR to wild stuff like horses in space.

I judged for a month once a year and had to be very careful with HDR for other categories. PP was allowed but it had to look natural. There was a head judge that would view the final selections and sometimes would overrule our choices.

I come from many years of that so I’m in that groove. I like appreciate heavy HDR for what it is meant for but IMO like everything else it has it’s place. In your situation it would be nice to have an art category specifically for that. It is too bad people need to push PP that much to get the pat on the back.


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Mar 11, 2020 12:48 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #37

They do have a open category where it is anything goes


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Mar 11, 2020 13:43 |  #38

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They do have a open category where it is anything goes

That would work for me as long as the heavily processed images stayed there.


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Mar 11, 2020 15:10 |  #39

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That would work for me as long as the heavily processed images stayed there.

unfortunately they don't, at the last comp the judge pointed out several that were "over processed"


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Mar 11, 2020 15:42 |  #40

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unfortunately they don't, at the last comp the judge pointed out several that were "over processed"

Do they reject them?


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Mar 11, 2020 15:56 |  #41

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Do they reject them?

No but they usually get a low score. Of course I have only been to one comp


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Mar 11, 2020 16:07 |  #42

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No but they usually get a low score. Of course I have only been to one comp

Easier on members not to reject but score low. I think it is a decent way to get the message across. It is all part to the learning curve. Sounds like they are doing an OK job.


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Mar 11, 2020 16:32 |  #43

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unfortunately they don't, at the last comp the judge pointed out several that were "over processed"

The clubs I judge for typically do have a "Creative" competition where pretty much anything goes, including over-processed images. Folks are told that's where they belong. Every now and then supersaturated or overcooked images make it into the other categories, but at their own peril are their scores reflect that both numerically and in the judges comments.


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Mar 12, 2020 18:12 |  #44

I guess some of my images take on what I call a watercolor look such as this one of a Blue Heron this morning just after sunrise.

I think it is partly the high ISO of 3200 on the Canon 90D leading to a softness of color. Personally I think it is an interesting shot but it doesn't look like a Kodachrome ASA 25. The thing is my wife and all my friends really like it (unless they are just being nice) and I also like it.

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Mar 12, 2020 18:29 |  #45

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I guess some of my images take on what I call a watercolor look such as this one of a Blue Heron this morning just after sunrise.

I think it is partly the high ISO of 3200 on the Canon 90D leading to a softness of color. Personally I think it is an interesting shot but it doesn't look like a Kodachrome ASA 25. The thing is my wife and all my friends really like it (unless they are just being nice) and I also like it.

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This is a nice shot Jeff, and thanks for sharing. I can see why your wife and friends like it.

That being said I wouldn't consider it painterly or like a water color. You selected very attractive lighting for the shot and it resulted in a pleasing photograph with pastel like colors. But to me that is still a realistic photographic.


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