The future of crop sensor canon cameras? (7D line and beyond)

duckster wrote in post #19024427
What year did the D500 come out? I am not a Nikon guy but isn't it a few years old now too?

Announced January 2016 from what I found
The 7D2 announced September 2014 and shipped late October. I received mine November 2

So, not a big difference time frame wise.
Do I want to buy a four year old body. No.
Will I if it is the only / best option. Yes.

Rod

The mount changed because the data bus is different on the RF lenses. Canon was quite clear why they made a new mount when they introduced the R. RF lenses talk differently and at higher speeds (or greater throughput) than EF lenses on the mirrorless bodies.

There are other reasons too. The RF mount has a larger interior diameter than EF mounts, with the communications board for the lens pins taking up less internal real estate.

It seemed most of the marketing Canon did for the R was optical advantages over EF (and it was more people trying to speculate what the extra contacts are for).

When it comes to DSLRs, we'll see. Canon is certainly still committed to DSLRs for the pro market. The 90D wasn't that long ago (and the 7D series always seems to have long periods from upgrade). The main speculation is if the R5 is a replacement mirrorless for the 5D series (Canon marketed the R as a 2nd camera for the 5D4). I think Canon might have the R&D of future DSLRs, but may not release when monitoring financials (they're in a better position for that than Nikon). We also have to be practical and consider continued hardships in production due to COVID-19.

Overread wrote in post #19024235
So I've been out of the camera buying loop for a while and I've not kept up with all the release information. I have picked up that the 7D line has ended with no 7DMIII being released. Canon has released the 90D, however that appears to be pretty much just the xxD line advancing and misses some of the rugged features that the 7D line had.

Some reputable reviews are now coming out about the 90D. It's a mixture of good and bad driving the buyer to make compromises.

See https://www.imaging-resource.com …/canon-90d/canon-90dA.HTM

duckster wrote in post #19024427
What year did the D500 come out? I am not a Nikon guy but isn't it a few years old now too?

It's old. It is very good. To me, the latter is all that matters.
If anything it's age makes it more appealing, the older a camera I would consider buying is, the more field testing it has undergone proving it's reliability.

Choderboy wrote in post #19024551
It's old. It is very good. To me, the latter is all that matters.
If anything it's age makes it more appealing, the older a camera I would consider buying is, the more field testing it has undergone proving it's reliability.

This is the exact logic that lead me to buy a second copy of the Pentax 645N.

If you watch the trends the 5R is the 5D replacement. The R already has a crop mode and I'm sure the R5 will. Plenty of FPS for sports/wildlife. You can crop quite a bit with todays sensors not to mention TC's. Plenty out there using 1D's for wildlife and sports.

If we see a 7D3 it won't have a shutter but I doubt it. Canon has taken the bull by the horns with RF lenses and I don't see any RF-S lens rumours. Why release multiple crop sizes when sales are lagging for the whole industry. I think the 7D2 was the last one in that class and the XXD will carry on for a while with more of a push towards the M bodies. Eventually the DSLR will be a dinosaur. I see the pro version 1D and variations of the R and M bodies.

Just to add variations of the R may not be called that but will be FF. Saves on future production of crop sensors. Just press the crop button in the menu.

I am guessing that there will be an R7 crop body camera and an R1 pro body in the future.

digital paradise wrote in post #19025364
If we see a 7D3 it won't have a shutter but I doubt it. Canon has taken the bull by the horns with RF lenses and I don't see any RF-S lens rumours. .

The 7DIII won't have a shutter...when even the Sony A9 needs a mechanical shutter to shoot with electronic flash?!
So 7DIII users will never need flash?

digital paradise wrote in post #19025366
Just to add variations of the R may not be called that but will be FF. Saves on future production of crop sensors. Just press the crop button in the menu.

But it is much easier, and therefore cheaper, to make a sufficiently defect-free semiconductor that occupies about 340 sq.mm area, rather than a semicondutor that occupies about 870 sq.mm (sensitive area plus some overhead for read circuitry) The yield rate (percentage of tested-good circuits) is better for smaller area semiconductors...simpl​e fact of semiconductor manufacture. It is why originally the APS-C sensors preceded FF sensors by so much time (and Nikon had a harder time of that, than did Canon).

So if Canon wants more 'mass market' business than 'true photoenthusiast' business, to maximize net profit, I think mirrorless APS-C is inevitable...the average Joe or Jane on the street could care less about having a big sensor, as smartphones exhibit. Same for the popularity of cameras having the 110 film format.

Wilt wrote in post #19025416
But it is much easier, and therefore cheaper, to make a sufficiently defect-free semiconductor that occupies about 340 sq.mm area, rather than a semicondutor that occupies about 870 sq.mm (sensitive area plus some overhead for read circuitry) The yield rate (percentage of tested-good circuits) is better for smaller area semiconductors...simpl​e fact of semiconductor manufacture. It is why originally the APS-C sensors preceded FF sensors by so much time (and Nikon had a harder time of that, than did Canon).

So if Canon wants more 'mass market' business than 'true photoenthusiast' business, to maximize net profit, I think mirrorless APS-C is inevitable...the average Joe or Jane on the street could care less about having a big sensor, as smartphones exhibit. Same for the popularity of cameras having the 110 film format.

Mirrorless APS-C is already here in the Canon lineup. It's called the M series.

Scott M wrote in post #19026492
Mirrorless APS-C is already here in the Canon lineup. It's called the M series.

I'm guessing that the M series is a dead end. Clearly Canon is not putting the same resources behind the M as they are with the RF mount. After 8 years or so we have what? 8 lenses and no new lenses rumored. Last new lens was 2 years ago. The RF mount is only 2 years old and they have 11 or so lenses already with more being introduced this year. I'm thinking that sometime in the near future we are going to see a RF mount crop camera.

Canon has indeed said they are actively supporting the M line at least the body side. It is a very popular model line. R and RP, and M50 and M6II. One for one on FF vs APS C mirrorless, with 2 new rumored bodies yet. The R5 will come out and there will be an M50 successor also announced probably around that time.

You're right...I tend to forget about the M series due to its lack of popularity outside of Japan.

But I was thinking about R-mount lens acceptance in an APS-C format body.