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Mar 18, 2020 03:13 |  #166

I'm trying to hire local unemployed folks to do yard work for me since I can afford to hire people.
Also checking in on the neighbors who are old folks. from a distance, of course.
Its going to be a rough year on the retirement accounts.
This is a time to rely on your community and actual social network, not the fake world of the internet.
and for both our government and much of our citizenry to learn a lesson about living on less than you earn to build a healthy rainy day bank account when times are good.




  
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Mar 18, 2020 05:55 |  #167

They are talking sending a $1000-$1500 to EVERY person, even those that are working full time. I think it should only go to those who have lost their jobs, or had their income or hours cut due to the corona craziness. And are they going to give the money to those who have NEVER worked? I know of some who are on permanent welfare and are proud they don't work.
And what about someone like me who is living on Social Security and am watching my 401k tank? It wasn't the big to begin with but luckily I was in low risk so have only lost 15% so far.
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Quoted from https://www.globalrese​arch.ca …s-grabs-headlines/5701932 (external link) (dated 2/22/20):

In the US:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S. The CDC reports there have been 54 reported flu-related pediatric deaths this season from Influenza B viruses. (The Hill)


This morning's CNN headlines state over 8,000 infections and over 100 deaths from coronavirus in the US to date. So far, no body under 50 has died of this disease in the US. Flu has already killed 54 children this season. INLUENZA has already killed 8,200 people in the US THIS SEASON. Nobody is worried about the flu. MVAs kill 100 Americans EVERY DAY. Cancer kills 400+ Americans EVERY DAY.

Coronavirus, fueled by politicians trying to appear to be doing something, and the media's penchant for over-hyped fanatical frenzy, has created a problem where there is none. The fault lies in the cattle (people) who take everything they read at face value. Several philosophers have stated through the ages that, "in a democracy, the people will always have the government they deserve". This has never been more true than it is today.


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Lucky, I TOTALLY agree with you that "The only thing that really matters is caring for those around you and showing as much love and compassion as possible. In the end that is the ONLY thing that matters." Truly words to live by.

But are you saying this whole thing is falsely overblown? Are you saying there are bankers in power who have cooked up hysteria just to make themselves richer? The Coronavirus is NOT just the flu. Look at the hard CDC data. My wife helps me research that since she is a retired nurse and has seen a lot in her 46 years of service. China is now starting to improve because they made some hard decisions for virus control.

Lucky, perhaps you are a much younger healthier person than many of us on this forum. My wife and I are in the older demographic. We are at risk. As a result we are practicing common sense measures. We will go outside in the fresh air, hike, and do yard work but we are distancing ourselves from groups and crowds. We still talk to our neighbors and friends. But I don't believe in bogus flu conspiracy theories.


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Mar 18, 2020 09:36 |  #170

It is not a matter of just letting it run its course because people under 50 are not dying. Countries did ignore this. Now ask Spain and Italy not to mention a few others how things are going. Their health care systems are overwhelmed. You figure all the news and footage of makeshift hospital beds, etc are all hoaxes to crash the market? The problem with COVID-19 it is not like a regular flu however since conspiracies abound anything you read will not be true. You would be OK with your relatives being caught in an overwhelmed heath care system?

So what you do if you where the president or the governor of your state? I'd be interested to know. The current one laughed this off and a week later said this is really bad. Do you really think he wants to crash the market which is pretty much the most important thing to him, especially in an election year? Why doesn't he stick to his plan about being different than anyone and let it run it's course. Matt Gaetz (who mocked this by wearing a gas mask) on doctors orders went into self-quarantine after he came into contact with a person that tested positive. Why didn't he stand his ground, ignore experts advice and just go out there and let it run it's course?

Sorry for being so bold. This reminds me of the of the Sandy Hook conspiracies. Those kids are actually gone so if not dead they must be somewhere. For this to happen the government would have had to convince 20 sets of parents in a small community to give up their kids for the sake of gun control. Do you realize how many people would have to be in on it? With enough cash it would be pretty easy to get a few of them to come out and say it was a conspiracy. That was just a community event.

I don't always trust the media because it has become polarized but they provide me with valuable information.


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Mar 18, 2020 10:02 |  #171

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It is not a matter of just letting it run its course because people under 50 are not dying. Countries did ignore this. Now ask Spain and Italy not to mention a few others how things are going. Their health care systems are overwhelmed. You figure all the news and footage of makeshift hospital beds, etc are all hoaxes to crash the market? The problem with COVID-19 it is not like a regular flu however since conspiracies abound anything you read will not be true. You would be OK with your relatives being caught in an overwhelmed heath care system?

So what you do if you where the president or the governor of your state? I'd be interested to know. The current one laughed this off and a week later said this is really bad. Do you really think he wants to crash the market which is pretty much the most important thing to him, especially in an election year? Why doesn't he stick to his plan about being different than anyone and let it run it's course. Matt Gaetz (who mocked this by wearing a gas mask) on doctors orders went into self-quarantine after he came into contact with a person that tested positive. Why didn't he stand his ground, ignore experts advice and just go out there and let it run it's course?

Sorry for being so bold. This reminds me of the of the Sandy Hook conspiracies. Those kids are actually gone so if not dead they must be somewhere. For this to happen the government would have had to convince 20 sets of parents in a small community to give up their kids for the sake of gun control. Do you realize how many people would have to be in on it? With enough cash it would be pretty easy to get a few of them to come out and say it was a conspiracy. That was just a community event.

I don't always trust the media because it has become polarized but they provide me with valuable information.

Zenon, it's always valuable to get viewpoints from others outside the U.S. looking in. It provides a fresh perspective and I think you summed it up quite well. You said it better than I did.

I think we're all a bit frightened now. It's fear of the unknown so we want to assign blame to things like conspiracies or maybe even those with more than us. That's a terrible path to take. But we can't just go about our regular daily lives without taking common sense precautions. If you are young, be mindful of older friends, parents and other family members.

We know far more now than we did in 1918. People didn't react quickly enough and take things seriously and at least 20,000,000 people died world-wide. Some say it was as many as 50,000,000 of which about 675,000 were in the United States. I don't believe we will suffer those numbers. We are better equipped to handle things and have a much better understanding of things. And to further reinforce what Digital Paradise says, why would the President try so hard to crash the economic system he so strongly embraces? THAT is the most important thing to HIM, and would make no sense.


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Mar 18, 2020 10:02 |  #172

The stock market is just a legal gambling operation. The rich who can afford to play around with their money know how to take advantage of a world crisis. Us schmuck's get into because we want to be rich like them. I have a little invested in the stocks. Sometimes my investor suggests to move some around. If too many people move money out of particular stocks the companies followed by the people who depend on them get hurt. I have never once asked who am I hurting when I do this. I bet I'd have a hard time finding too many (or any) who do.


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Mar 18, 2020 10:20 |  #173

sapearl wrote in post #19028962 (external link)
Zenon, it's always valuable to get viewpoints from others outside the U.S. looking in. It provides a fresh perspective and I think you summed it up quite well. You said it better than I did.

I think we're all a bit frightened now. It's fear of the unknown so we want to assign blame to things like conspiracies or maybe even those with more than us. That's a terrible path to take. But we can't just go about our regular daily lives without taking common sense precautions. If you are young, be mindful of older friends, parents and other family members.

We know far more now than we did in 1918. People didn't react quickly enough and take things seriously and at least 20,000,000 people died world-wide. Some say it was as many as 50,000,000 of which about 675,000 were in the United States. I don't believe we will suffer those numbers. We are better equipped to handle things and have a much better understanding of things. And to further reinforce what Digital Paradise says, why would the President try so hard to crash the economic system he so strongly embraces? THAT is the most important thing to HIM, and would make no sense.

I don't think so either because you and we are taking tough action, which I don't like any more than anyone else. Since I'm from Canada we get a lot of US news but I follow our and world news as well. I don't watch this particular one but Geraldo Rivera said you could test for the virus by holding your breath. That is not what the health officials are recommending.

With social media these days I always check multiple sources to verify anything I read. There is a video going around about a car driving up to a corner like it is a drug deal. The guy has one roll of toilet paper and about a cup of sanitizer inside his jacket. The person in the car handed him a thick wad of money and the deal went down. The title is "This is what it has come to". I immediately called BS. No way someone would pay that amount, especially at this stage, if ever for one roll. I'd sooner use snow if I had to. :-)


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Mar 18, 2020 10:46 |  #174

Unfortunately there are reasons to mistrust governments and powerful people. There really are. But this COVID-19 thing is real. Those who ignore the warnings are making things worse and this leads to deaths. Please take the time to inform yourself by reading sources that can be trusted. The World Health Organization is one of those sources.

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Mar 18, 2020 10:50 |  #175

sapearl wrote in post #19028962 (external link)
We know far more now than we did in 1918. People didn't react quickly enough and take things seriously and at least 20,000,000 people died world-wide. Some say it was as many as 50,000,000 of which about 675,000 were in the United States. I don't believe we will suffer those numbers. We are better equipped to handle things and have a much better understanding of things. And to further reinforce what Digital Paradise says, why would the President try so hard to crash the economic system he so strongly embraces? THAT is the most important thing to HIM, and would make no sense.

What is different, and what is the same?

  • In 1918 and now, there is no cure for viral pneumonial now we have a way to fight bacterial pneumonia only, with antibiotics; antivirals exist for influenza, but not coronavirus.
  • Histological examinations and autopsy reports of the 1918 influenza pandemic victims shows evidence of bacterial invasion in more than 90% of cases; however, it appears that coronavirus tends to develop into viral pneumonia.
  • We have respirators now, we did NOT back in 1918....the mechanical ventilator was not invented until 1949.
    But we do not have ENOUGH respirators. About 5% of coronavirus cases need mechanical respirators, not simply supplemental oxygen...in Italy they are finding that they do NOT have ENOUGH respirators, so doctors are having to triage cases and decide which patients to give the respirators to...it is like battlefield triage, someone has to give way and die, and someone else still has to make those decisions! It is the fundamental reason behind the shelter-in-place...slow the spread so that case loads are manageable with the equipment we have! China had to build hospitals in order to manage cases; we are now (in SF Bay, CA at least) setting things up to use HOTELS as an alternative to hospitals. But we don't have the respirators to handle an explosion of cases.
  • Nor do we have adequate medical staff...do we pull doctors and nurses from elsewhere, to handle our case loads, leaving another area with insuffient staff to deal with a slightly delayed explosion of cases elsewhere?!

In brief, we are not necessarily medically that much more advanced now than 100 years ago, in terms of treatment to overcome coronavirus. We have better ability to sustain life, but we are nevertheless losing corona patients today in spite of 100 years of technology...across the world we are losing an average of 3.5% of coronavirus cases overall. IIRC, Spanish Flu death rate was 'only' 2.5%.

If we are smart and take preventative measures sooner than later, we can prevent overload of our medical facilities and staff.
But we also need to prevent overload of our first responders...we have already seen how coronavirus can take 40 firefighters out of action at one time...three infections leading to taking 40 firefighters off the job during self-isolation.
It is a good thing that airlines have reduced flights, because we have already seen how coronavirus can take over 40 TSA agents off the job at a single location.
The NBA as how many players tested positive on how many teams?...two Jazz and four Nets players so far.


It is now estimated that the coronavirus death rate is about 1.5%, rather an 0.1% of influenza, compared to the 4.1% worldwide death rate. The Spanish Flu death rate was 2.5%.
As of March 17, CDC reports 75 deaths in 4226 cases so far...1.77%
Since younger patients fare better, we should let the coronavirus falsely overblown 'hoax' (that apparently some feel is true) exterminate the older population?

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Mar 18, 2020 11:32 |  #176

On the lighter side, I have come up with an idea for making face masks at home. Here is my FB post that made public, so that you can view it https://www.facebook.c​om …videos/10158882​376093475/ (external link)

To recap: Any high quality MERV 13 AC filter or vacuum bags rated for filtering out viruses will make great inserts. You don't need a bra, just a stretchy fabric from an old T-shirt would do. You don't need to look glamorous; I've stopped worrying about my looks a long time ago. Health and safety are my priority #1. Hope they're yours, too.

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Mar 18, 2020 11:59 |  #177

I have had to delete a post circulating conspiracy theories from this thread.
I realize it's hard to keep this topic a political, but we must try.

Flat out conspiracy theories and blatant falsehoods will be removed.

Other ill informed or honest mistakes resulting in misinformation seem to be corrected quickly by the forums members.


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Mar 18, 2020 12:02 |  #178

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19029001 (external link)
I have had to delete a post circulating conspiracy theories from this thread.
I realize it's hard to keep this topic a political, but we must try.

Flat out conspiracy theories and blatant falsehoods will be removed.

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Thanks for policing the conspiracy theories - they serve no useful purpose and only get people riled up (like me:lol:)


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Mar 18, 2020 12:26 |  #179

itsallart wrote in post #19028990 (external link)
On the lighter side, I have come up with an idea for making face masks at home. Here is my FB post that made public, so that you can view it https://www.facebook.c​om …videos/10158882​376093475/ (external link)

To recap: Any high quality MERV 13 AC filter or vacuum bags rated for filtering out viruses will make great inserts. You don't need a bra, just a stretchy fabric from an old T-shirt would do. You don't need to look glamorous; I've stopped worrying about my looks a long time ago. Health and safety are my priority #1. Hope they're yours, too.

Stay healthy and make some simple masks :)


I think "Lighter" is very important right now Renata - we all need some good humor and stress relief ;-)a I just checked out your terrific FB video; nicely done and thanks for sharing.


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CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19029001 (external link)
I have had to delete a post circulating conspiracy theories from this thread.
I realize it's hard to keep this topic a political, but we must try.

Flat out conspiracy theories and blatant falsehoods will be removed.

Other ill informed or honest mistakes resulting in misinformation seem to be corrected quickly by the forums members.

Oh common. Didn’t you know the earth is flat? :-)


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