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Will EF lenses be as good as RF lenses with Canon's adaptor for the new mirrorless bodies?

 
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Feb 20, 2023 08:32 |  #61

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The need for canon support as a crutch for what to buy or not is GROSSLY overstated.

I suspect that the average shooter here on POTN has maybe used support 1-2 times at most, most have never sent anything in.

This keeps coming up as some sort of stumbling block to either buy or keep EF glass, and in reality isn’t that big a risk.

I agree that Canon discontinuing support is something that shouldn't be important to people when making decisions about what gear to buy.

Support is extremely important to me. But support from Canon is almost meaningless. I do have a lot of bodies and lenses need servicing and repairs over the course of their lifetime, but I much prefer to use private local repair folks instead of sending gear to Canon. Canon service and repairs are WAY overpriced, and in my experience not always very competent.

I'm in Pennsylvania for the next couple months. Needed repairs on my Sigma 300-800mm, Googled "camera and lens repair near me" and the first result was a private independent shop just 6 miles away from my folks' place where I'm staying. It's really easy to find repair shops that are independent.

Baffles my mind why so many people just automatically think they have to send gear back to the manufacturer - that's an asinine mindset, in my opinion.


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Feb 20, 2023 08:38 |  #62

It used to be that there were many perks using Canon service and Canon had more service centers. Since Covid and the decrease in camera sales, Canon has shut some down, the perks have somewhat dried up, and quite frankly their service leaves a bit to be desired. I agree with you, just find some other shop if possible for repairs.

I usually buy new or Canon refurbuished, and like vehicles, if you are the original owner of gear and take care of things, you may never need service. If I buy well used to keep prices down, I have no idea as to the history of the items, like how many times did they hit the floor, etc and then support would be a concern. They need something like a carfax for camera gear!

In ten years, we will start to hear Canon shut down support for those early RF lenses, then we can have this type of discussion all over, but by then, the number of other manufacturers to move to will be smaller than it is now.


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Feb 20, 2023 08:54 |  #63

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3 issues with your assessment:

A) GAS has nothing to do with the amount of gear you have either. There simply isn’t 1-2 lenses than can do everything a photographer wants to do. There isn’t just 1 body either.

I am describing a typical EF owner with a full frame or APS-C body + kit lens and maybe a 50mm f/1.8.

People tend to go on POTN have more than that.

If you are just taking pictures of kids for memories or taking shots of things around you just for your own sake and can do with 1-2 lenses, then why even have any gear? A phone can do that. A good photographer knows what they need to get the job done, and I guess that means they might be labeled GAS by those that aren’t an avid photographer. :)

Image quality? You're old fashioned? Your spouse only allowed you a body + two lenses?

I have three camera bodies, and about nine or ten lenses. I can tell you exactly what each does for me and what purposes they serve. I am sure there are those that wouldn’t know why I would need this or even know when to use what I have, and would think it’s too much. I am fine with that, that differentiates the photographer from the polaroid shooter.

I am not attacking your purchasing decisions. I am pointing out the concerns Canonised, I and others may share.

What Canon gear do you have? I see alot of bird shots in flickr (beautiful birds in the Phillipines brw), but then just a random set of what I assume are people you know, various street views, etc. Just shooting birds could be done with 1 lens, but to do it well, that lens is likely very expensive, and then street views can be taken with something like a 24-105.

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b) On the flip side, what if all you could afford was 1 body and 2 lenses, and that cost you $10000 to do so? Then in that case, that person doesn't have to worry about lack of support ever, they can just go out and buy new again? I suggest every X years to sell off that gear while there is a market, and replace it with a newer version. In the end that will save money, and has nothing to do with GAS.

That's why I pointed to typical users with 1 body & 2 lenses that keep it for 1-2 decades then just replace as the cost of repair is more than buying brand new or parts are not available anymore

c) Who cares if someone likes to collect gear? It isn't anyone's business how one decides to spend their money, especially if they are meeting all their financial obligations while doing so. Any time I find someone complaining about what someone else has, there always seems to be jealousy or envy at play. Be happy with what you have, and learn how to get the most of what you own.

No one's questioning what you are doing. I am pointing out my personal experience on ownership from today until year 2030. :-) It is just another data point for anyone to consider when making these purchases.

If I could have a redo from 2008-today I'd have stuck to a 5-Series body and three L 2.8 zooms. Replace every decade for the same of image quality and quality of life improvements.

Birding in your 20s is a dumb idea. I'd only do that in my 60s if I had no grand kids. If I had kids & grand kids who played indoor or outdoor sports I'd add a RF 200mm f/1.8L IS USM or RF 400mm f/2.8 L IS USM with a R3/R1.


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Feb 20, 2023 09:07 |  #64

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I agree that Canon discontinuing support is something that shouldn't be important to people when making decisions about what gear to buy.

Support is extremely important to me. But support from Canon is almost meaningless. I do have a lot of bodies and lenses need servicing and repairs over the course of their lifetime, but I much prefer to use private local repair folks instead of sending gear to Canon. Canon service and repairs are WAY overpriced, and in my experience not always very competent.

I'm in Pennsylvania for the next couple months. Needed repairs on my Sigma 300-800mm, Googled "camera and lens repair near me" and the first result was a private independent shop just 6 miles away from my folks' place where I'm staying. It's really easy to find repair shops that are independent.

Baffles my mind why so many people just automatically think they have to send gear back to the manufacturer - that's an asinine mindset, in my opinion.

I think it should be considered situational.

CPS' old office before COVID was under 27 mins drive. New one after COVID is under 34 mins.

A key issue with going 3rd party is their access to authentic parts or at the very least donor parts.

Another consideration is their familiarity with the gear you have them repair. At the very least do they have the service manual?

I waited until 2015 for the other EF 800mm owner to have his IS motor replaced for a Canon Inc recall from 2012 before I did out of fear that CPS would muck up repair.

How would a 3rd party camera repair shop handle that? If it was say a EF 50mm f/1.8 II lens I think any camera repair shop would have the mind to repair much less a kit lens but gear that less than handful may have? Errr... no thank you. Unwilling to pay extra for a botched job.

It is like my experience of sending my BIRKENSTOCK sandles to a 3rd party shoe repair shop. When it came back to me they reengeered it by putting stitches through the sole & footbed. I ended up buying a new one. If I went to the authorized BIRKENSTOCK store they would have used an authentic BIRKENSTOCK sole with the recommended adhensive and it was seamless.


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Feb 20, 2023 09:11 |  #65

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In ten years, we will start to hear Canon shut down support for those early RF lenses, then we can have this type of discussion all over, but by then, the number of other manufacturers to move to will be smaller than it is now.

That's why I am sticking to Canon even when Fuji's medium format is such a nice toy to buy into. Odds are they may merge with another company.

So we'd be left with Canon & probably Sony.


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Mar 07, 2023 00:58 |  #66

I just watched a YouTube video where it was announced that Canon has allowed COSINA the license to manufacture lenses with RF mount. Maybe that is the beginning of their willingness to change their position on the issue of Third Party Lenses.


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Mar 07, 2023 01:52 |  #67

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I just watched a YouTube video where it was announced that Canon has allowed COSINA the license to manufacture lenses with RF mount. Maybe that is the beginning of their willingness to change their position on the issue of Third Party Lenses.

Can you provide a link to this video?


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Mar 07, 2023 05:08 |  #68

Manual focus lenses…. Not an issue, canon will go after only AF third party lenses.

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Mar 07, 2023 07:37 |  #69

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Manual focus lenses…. Not an issue, canon will go after only AF third party lenses.

https://www.fredmirand​a.com/forum/topic/1796​775 (external link)

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This gives me hope that in the near future Laowa will make a 15mm 1:1 wide angle macro for the RF, like they already make for the EF mount. . Canon seems to refuse to make any such thing, and as far as I know Laowa is the ONLY manufacturer to make a true macro lens in a true wide angle focal length.

It also gives me hope that we could see Laowa make the 25mm 2:1 Macro Probe lens in the RF mount. . Again, this is another lens that Canon seems to refuse to make, so my/our only hope for a lens with this capability lies with Laowa.

Of course, autofocus would be so much more useful than manual focus with these lenses, but many who shoot macro already use manual focus, so the lenses would at least be viable, even if they weren't allowed to be made with AF. . With more recent technologies such as focus peaking and realtime LCD playback (with zoomed in view), manual focus is quicker and more certain that it was many years ago.

But if Canon would just make specialty lenses themselves then we wouldn't have this big fear of not being able to ever get the fully functional specialty lenses that we really need.


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Mar 07, 2023 07:42 |  #70

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I just watched a YouTube video where it was announced that Canon has allowed COSINA the license to manufacture lenses with RF mount. Maybe that is the beginning of their willingness to change their position on the issue of Third Party Lenses.

The most I get from this is that Cosina has managed to produce a lens that does not infringe on any of Canon's IPs, and Canon has agreed that it does not.


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Mar 07, 2023 11:37 |  #71

Found this…

https://www.sonyalphar​umors.com …vailable-for-e-mount-too/ (external link)


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Mar 07, 2023 16:41 |  #72

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The most I get from this is that Cosina has managed to produce a lens that does not infringe on any of Canon's IPs, and Canon has agreed that it does not.


Exactly! Nothing more. Which is why there's been a plethora of RF manual focus lenses made by others already.

The Cosina RF mount lens is nothing to get excited about except for those that appreciate fine manual lenses.


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