Capture 1 VS LR

As you can see in posts 28 and 29 I don't see a major difference where C1 jumps out over Adobe. I used all the tools including structure with C1. With LR the new Texture slider really helps. I have it and Clarity auto apply at import as the start points. I also have sharpening set higher that the 40 default. C1 typically don't like this comment but I think LR has better fine detail. I was in another conversation about this in another site and an avid C1 user agreed but because C1 has a more contrasty look it looks sharper overall if that makes any sense. No doubt C1 has a nice look.

LR's Detail slider I the Detail Panel has two functions. 0-50 is for halo suppression. 50-100 is for deconvolution but you lose halo suppression. It is subtle but does make a difference and I run that higher for low ISO shots. What's new to LR as well is Enhance Details which I only use if I need to because it creates a new DNG file. I did not apply that in my examples.

I find I can push crops further with LR than C1 which is more important for me because I can't afford the 500mm or bigger.I didn't want to go subscription but based in my tests and crops using C1 and LR just worked better for me. I like his reviews and he is a C1 user. He mentions the file detail at about minute 10:30. I found this video a few months after deciding to stay with Adobe and it supported my choice.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=AZdzcaaqaeY

This thread also supported my choice.

https://www.fredmirand​a.com/forum/topic/1523​501/0

LR does not have any sharpening control at export besides the 3 levels but how you approach it ore export makes a difference. Also the export process works with how you applied you settings in the Detail panel for optimal dithering while printing. I'm not an export in this area but it is what Jeff Sheww said in a Luminous Landscape thread. I was member for a few months but that crew is at different level.

I may have said before the thing I find surprising is C1 does not list any of my telephoto lenses for lens corrections which kinda tells me something. DXO which I own has better lens correction than LR. The subscription comes with Portfolio which is saving me $150 a year. If C1 has have blown away I would have went with it. It is very good but it doesn't blow me away. That initial $440 CND and another $200 for upgrade this fall (I know I don't have to get it) will likely go toward the Canon R5. If C1 was ½ the price I'd probably own it but as a hobby photographer it as a little steep and I doubt the likes from posted shots will show any major increase.

One thing I forgot mention. My B&W conversion process took some time to develop and the way LR's graduated and radial filters work are awesome for that. I have to admit I didn't try C1 for this. I rarely use any types of presets and prefer to do it myself. I have some video links of anyone is interested.

digital paradise wrote in post #19068324
I may have said before the thing I find surprising is C1 does not list any of my telephoto lenses for lens corrections which kinda tells me something.

Agree. At least for Canon cameras (can't comment on any other brands) lens support in C1 sucks.

Michael456 wrote in post #19068365
Agree. At least for Canon cameras (can't comment on any other brands) lens support in C1 sucks.

You don't really need it that much for telephoto but still. C1 is good for all applications and people do so but it just seems like it is geared towards professional portrait editing. I very well may be wrong as this is just an opinion.

re lens profiles in C1,. It took me a while to realize that;

A- There are many more profiles available than I thought.
B- Many profiles are in use before you even know it.

C1 will use manufacturers profiles built into the RAW container automatically. Phase One only makes profiles if they feel the lens needs it, or the manufacturer raw embedded one is not up to par.

I believe that the Manufacture embedded ones are not listed in the Lens Correction tab, they are just part of the manufactures specific RAW information that is already digested by the C1 RAW engine. I believe they are not listed they are NOT a Phase One written profile. (I could be wrong here, not sure how to tell one from another if I am wrong)

You can apply lens corrections manually, and also see what ones have embedded profiles

In the "Lens Correction" tab/panel if the drop down shows "generic" or even the lens you are using, click the drop down and it and select "show all ".
Now click the drop down again, and a big list of manufactures are there.

My 16-35mm f/4L and 100-400mm II have profiles, the 16-35mm is loaded automatically. The 100-400mmII profile is not, but can be applied. There isn't one for 500mm f/5L II. It doesn't need one

more info;

https://support.captur​eone.com …-The-Lens-Correction-tool
https://support.captur​eone.com …-an-Unlisted-Lens-Profile
https://support.captur​eone.com …-us/articles/3600025836​78
https://support.captur​eone.com …ns-support-in-Capture-One

Interesting info about C1 using manufacturer profiles embedded into the RAW file - I did not know that.
How can I know in advance whether a profile for a certain lens is embedded into the RAW? For example, I've been thinking of buying the Canon EF-S 10-18mm. C1 does not have a profile for that lens. I really would not want to buy an ultra-wide without lens correction. No problem if a manufacturer profile is embedded into the RAW and C1 uses it. But if no, then I wouldn't have an easy way of correcting e.g. distortion...

Regarding the 100-400mm II:
Interesting as C1 automatically applies the profile for me (I'm using C1 V20). But there is no profile for the 100-400mm II plus 1.4 Extender combo.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19068417
re lens profiles in C1,. It took me a while to realize that;


C1 will use manufacturers profiles built into the RAW container automatically. Phase One only makes profiles if they feel the lens needs it, or the manufacturer raw embedded one is not up to par.

I've noticed when processing a photo taken with the 70-200 that C One sometimes shows generic for lens type on that Profile tab, when I go the drop down menu and select the 70-200, nothing changes, so what you are saying - some lenses don't need it. Distortion seems to be an issue with the wide angle lenses, then it is noticeable when the correction is applied.

For those considering Capture One it is on sale until May 31 at B&H Photo for $179.

I got a few emails but I don't see this as much of a deal. You build your website and then what do you do after this promotion is up? Last I checked Portfolio via SmugMug was $180 a year. The B&H deal was far better IMO. The cursor hovered over the buy icon a few times but I decided to save my pennies for a new MLIC body, possibly an RF lens and most likely an RF TC, if I get a lens.

I've been using Capture One since around Version 5. (Over 12 years or so) I find it to be hands down the best suited software for my workflow and have never been disappointed with its output.

Edit: An oft not discussed advantage to shooting RAW is that as you do more RAW processing, your skills improve and the software also improves. If you go back to images you processed 10 years ago, you can improve them, sometimes dramatically, if you sucked as bad as I did 10 years ago.

I've gone back and looked at files I did 10 years ago and really couldn't believe what I had done in post.

HKGuns wrote in post #19160595
I've been using Capture One since around Version 5. (Over 12 years or so) I find it to be hands down the best suited software for my workflow and have never been disappointed with its output.

Edit: An oft not discussed advantage to shooting RAW is that as you do more RAW processing, your skills improve and the software also improves. If you go back to images you processed 10 years ago, you can improve them, sometimes dramatically, if you sucked as bad as I did 10 years ago.

I've gone back and looked at files I did 10 years ago and really couldn't believe what I had done in post.

You didn’t suck back then, it’s a learning, evolving experience.

Nick5 wrote in post #19160822
You didn’t suck back then, it’s a learning, evolving experience.

You might think differently if you saw some of them!

I thought the folks in this thread might derive some value from this example. These photo's were processed in CaptureOne Pro 20.........This image is a 100% crop.

First image processed without any noise reduction.

IMAGE LINK: https://hkguns.zenfoli​o.com/img/s/v-10/p4074013832-5.jpg

IMAGE LINK: https://hkguns.zenfoli​o.com/img/s/v-10/p4074013833-5.jpg

IMAGE LINK: https://hkguns.zenfoli​o.com/img/s/v-10/p4074021571-5.jpg

I recently tried C1 for the 4th time. I still can't see why I would to need to spend that amount. It edges out LR on tonality but for everything else LR does as good job a for me. If I were a portrait photographer I'd have a closer look at it. Currently I don't need all of that advanced colour editing C1 as to offer. If Adobe ever ticks me off C1 will be high up the list as a replacement.

https://www.fredmirand​a.com …/topic/1523501/​3#15384613

A recent ISO 16,000 file and all edits using LR.

I also have Topaz Denoise AI which I don't use often. I know it has to be good because it gets an update every 3 days.