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May 22, 2020 21:38 |  #1

Thinking of getting a Lensmaster RH-2. At 200 quid (about $250 shipped to the US), it's quite a bit cheaper than say, a Wimberley II which is about $600. I also like the fact that it is an artisan product, as opposed to sonething mass produced in some Chinese factory.

I know the Lensmaster RH-2 has received a fair bit of love on this forum, so I was seeking affirmation (or alternative suggestions) before i pull the trigger.

Thanks!

P.S. It will be paired with a Gitzo GT3530S tripod that I have had for years and am very happy with. Light and rock-solid.


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May 22, 2020 21:49 |  #2

If you're open to the Induro GBH2, you may want to read this:

https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/thread/29006​94 (external link)


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May 22, 2020 22:07 |  #3

Scrumhalf wrote in post #19067582 (external link)
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I know the Lensmaster RH-2 has received a fair bit of love on this forum, so I was seeking affirmation (or alternative suggestions) before i pull the trigger.

P.S. It will be paired with a Gitzo GT3530S tripod that I have had for years and am very happy with. Light and rock-solid.
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As you say, it is much less expensive than the Wimberley; hence, it may not be fair to compare them to one another. . But the Wimberleys are the only gimbals I've ever used, so I don't know what else to compare it with.

Anyway, I looked it over on the Lensmaster website, and two things immediately stood out:

1. . . The horizontal tension knob is directly underneath the camera, instead of being beside the rotating mechanism. This means that you will not be able to get the camera quite as low as you would with a head like the Wimberley, where the knob is conveniently out of the way and off to the side. This means that the manufacturer was able to avoid having gears inside the head, which undoubtedly lets them build it for less cost.

If you often use a big lens down as low to the ground as you can get it, then this would be a big issue for you; perhaps even a deal-breaker. But if you don't shoot with the lens down at ground level, then it shouldn't be much of a problem for you.

Note: . The Wimberley version 1 works this way and I find it awkward and restricting to use. . They changed it on the version 2, and I really appreciate the difference. . So I have used heads with knobs on the base and heads with knobs off to the side, and my preference for a side knob is based on a lot of experience.

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2. . . The vertical portion of the gimbal offers no method of height adjustment. This is unusual to me, because the Wimberley has a good 6 inches of adjustment, as do most of the less expensive knock-offs.

Of course, the tripods that we use with big lenses don't have center columns, and I see that your GT3530S doesn't have one, as is to be expected. . So with no center column, and without any height adjustment on the gimbal head itself, that means that the only way to raise or lower the camera a few inches is to adjust the height of the three tripod legs. . Awkward and time-consuming, especially when you need to adjust height and snap an image off rapidly.

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Overall, it looks like the design of the Lensmaster is simple in the most extreme degree. . This is good because it keeps manufacturing costs down, but it could be frustrating to shoot with because it makes height and tension adjustments awkward and slow, compared to the more expensive brands and knock-offs.

A friend of mine made a gimbal himself at home in his garage. Only took him a few hours and about $30 of steel and hardware. . This Lensmaster head that you are interested in reminds me a lot of that head that he made. . Very basic and simple. . At just $250 or whatever it is, the Lensmaster seems like a better option than going thru the hassle of making one yourself.


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May 22, 2020 22:46 |  #4

Thanks Tom, for the thoughtful (as always) response. You bring up some good points to ponder before deciding. I hadnt thought of them.


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May 23, 2020 01:12 |  #5

Looks kinda like a Manfrotto 393 with one side cut off. At least it has a pan lock, the Manfrotto does not. I applaud you for your effort to avoid mass produced items. I am also making an effort to do the same. I spent a little more for a Kirk BH 1 ball head and could not be happier with the quality and performance. I am not sure what a Kirk gimbal costs, ( maybe more than a wimberly ) but their quality is top notch with real customer service from a US company.


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May 23, 2020 07:21 |  #6

I just went down the same (costly) track having just invested in a Gitzo Systematic tripod and ended up buying the Gitzo Gimbal head, the GHFG1.

Like all my recent purchases it was bought online so I must admit to feeling a tad concerned as I usually like to buy once seen and touched but I shouldnt have worried, it is superb.

Plus, it is Made in Italy, to a very high standard, comes with a 7 year warranty and matches the finish on my tripod.

It may be worth a look.




  
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May 23, 2020 09:36 |  #7

dangermoney wrote in post #19067586 (external link)
If you're open to the Induro GBH2, you may want to read this:

https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/thread/29006​94 (external link)

Scrum.
Two years I ago I finally had enough and bought a Gimbal and a Tripod with no center column.
I looked at the Induro GIT 304L Tripod. Very good quality and in stock at my local dealer. The hard part came when we put an Induro GHB2 Gimbal Head side by side with the Wimberly 2 on a comparable Gitzo Tripod.
We put both 5D Mark III’s with a 100-400 at 100mm and 70-200 f/2.8 attached, to get similar feel and response and then switched. Also just the 100-400 at 400mm as well. Panning, tilting up and down and all over. The Induro had a similar feel in tilting Up and Down, while the Wimberly had a slightly different feel in the Up compared to down.
No real differences at all. Both very smooth as yes the Induro is basically a direct copy except for one major difference. The Induro like most Gimbal Head manufacturers today has an Incremental Scale on the Vertical column allowing for faster, easier, repetitive setup. As Balancing a Full Gimbal is key, I still wonder why Wimberly has not added it to their product. Sure you could put a tick mark with pen, but I don’t want different markings making my nice investment look like a cluttered mess.
As a new guy to the Gimbal, the Scale markings is what actually led me to purchasing both the Induro Tripod and Head together. And a little extra discount certainly was appreciated as well.
I am very happy with the Induro set up.
As we have a second home, I may just purchase another Gimbal as well. If Wimberly adds the Scale, it may become a harder decision.
Benro introduced a new Carbon Fibre Gimbal that may be priced closer to your Lensmaster above.
Gimbal heads all have a feel to their own. Like a car, buy what feels comfortable to you.
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May 25, 2020 23:56 |  #8

Another vote for the Gitzo fluid gimbal. There is very little information online about it so I’ll be happy to answer any questions you have about it.

Planning and tilting movements are extremely smooth, but if you’ve never used a fluid head it can be an unusual feeling at first. This is primarily a video feature but it really helps in windy conditions and tracking moving subjects.

I have compared it next to the Wimberly using the 600 II and they are equal in performance — except the lack of a fluid design in the Wimberly.

For me, I will never go back to a non fluid gimbal. The resistance I get from a fluid gimbal is a pleasure to use. Build quality is great and it’s light weight — albeit a little chunky.




  
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May 31, 2020 18:14 |  #9

Tom Reichner wrote in post #19067590 (external link)
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As you say, it is much less expensive than the Wimberley; hence, it may not be fair to compare them to one another. . But the Wimberleys are the only gimbals I've ever used, so I don't know what else to compare it with.

Anyway, I looked it over on the Lensmaster website, and two things immediately stood out:

1. . . The horizontal tension knob is directly underneath the camera, instead of being beside the rotating mechanism. This means that you will not be able to get the camera quite as low as you would with a head like the Wimberley, where the knob is conveniently out of the way and off to the side. This means that the manufacturer was able to avoid having gears inside the head, which undoubtedly lets them build it for less cost.

If you often use a big lens down as low to the ground as you can get it, then this would be a big issue for you; perhaps even a deal-breaker. But if you don't shoot with the lens down at ground level, then it shouldn't be much of a problem for you.

Note: . The Wimberley version 1 works this way and I find it awkward and restricting to use. . They changed it on the version 2, and I really appreciate the difference. . So I have used heads with knobs on the base and heads with knobs off to the side, and my preference for a side knob is based on a lot of experience.

............... ............... ............... ............... ............... ............... ...............

2. . . The vertical portion of the gimbal offers no method of height adjustment. This is unusual to me, because the Wimberley has a good 6 inches of adjustment, as do most of the less expensive knock-offs.

Of course, the tripods that we use with big lenses don't have center columns, and I see that your GT3530S doesn't have one, as is to be expected. . So with no center column, and without any height adjustment on the gimbal head itself, that means that the only way to raise or lower the camera a few inches is to adjust the height of the three tripod legs. . Awkward and time-consuming, especially when you need to adjust height and snap an image off rapidly.

............... ............... ............... ............... ............... ............... ...............

Overall, it looks like the design of the Lensmaster is simple in the most extreme degree. . This is good because it keeps manufacturing costs down, but it could be frustrating to shoot with because it makes height and tension adjustments awkward and slow, compared to the more expensive brands and knock-offs.

A friend of mine made a gimbal himself at home in his garage. Only took him a few hours and about $30 of steel and hardware. . This Lensmaster head that you are interested in reminds me a lot of that head that he made. . Very basic and simple. . At just $250 or whatever it is, the Lensmaster seems like a better option than going thru the hassle of making one yourself.

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Jun 01, 2020 04:20 as a reply to  @ Teton's post |  #10

In terms of the Gitzo Gimbal Head, just check that the adjustment knobs are captive.

My Gitzo ball head did not have a captive knob for the rotation adjustment. The result, it unscrewed and fell out, unnoticed, on a trail walk as I was walking along. The repeated brushing against my outer clothing just unscrewed the knob bit by bit and I lost it.

The tripod was being carried on my waist belt in the Gitzo Tripod Holster.

Captive screws are good.:-)

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Jun 01, 2020 04:24 |  #11

I'm using this one: https://prophotography​gear.com …lens-gimble-head-qr-plate (external link)

still a bit stiff since I haven't used it regularly, but just for longer event shots. However, well made and light.




  
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Aug 29, 2020 19:50 |  #12

Just my opinion this looks more than good enough for my hobby needs and budget. I'm not turning professional or anything being middle aged. Pro Master GH25K Professional Gimbal Pan Head Kit




  
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