Canon EOS R5 Unite and Discuss!

mannetti21 wrote in post #19318590
From a color standpoint, is there something significantly different between this camera and the 5D3? The 5D4?

I've only had the R5 for a few days, just taking random snapshots while I get used to the controls, but as I'm looking through the images in LR (Camera Standard color profile), something seems noticeably different. I can't quite put my finger on it. Not sure if it's the color rendering, a result of having 45mp, or something else, but the images have a "smooth/creamy" feel to them.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure this isn't new gear placebo because I wasn't looking at the images for this purpose, it was something that kept catching my eye as being off from what I'm used to seeing.

Personally, I saw more of a change between the 5D3 to 5D4 than the 5D4/R to the R5. But yes, to me there's definitely a difference. Very small difference. Still 100% Canon colours. But, like all sensor changes, it's taking me a while to 'feel' the difference (I'm new to the R5 as well).

This was just a random shot, nothing special about it, but I am posting it because I was pleasantly surprised that the R5's animal tracking AF locked instantly on to this distant plane. Amazing. I finally plucked up the courage to upgrade to 1.5.0 without too much grief, but my R5 and RF 24-105L still don't seem to like each other. Another couple of minor lock-ups. No such problem with the RF 100-500L, though, thank goodness.

SereneSpeed wrote in post #19318705
Personally, I saw more of a change between the 5D3 to 5D4 than the 5D4/R to the R5. But yes, to me there's definitely a difference. Very small difference. Still 100% Canon colours. But, like all sensor changes, it's taking me a while to 'feel' the difference (I'm new to the R5 as well).

I used my 5D3 extensively throughout my entire time of ownership for weddings, events, and couples/family sessions. I spent more hours than I care to acknowledge editing skin tones and general color from those images. My 5D4 didn't get used much at all during the short time I owned it, and never used for paid work. I don't have nearly the same intimacy with 5D4 images. I think my baseline perception of color is still derived from the 5D3 files, so this may be why the R5 colors look so strikingly different.

Of all the full-size cameras I've owned, and through all of the upgrades to each of those cameras, this is the first time I've thought to myself, "Wow, these colors look so much better." I bought this camera for the AF and the resolution, but it's a nice change to unexpectedly notice a difference rather than finding improvements through pixel-peeping.

I hope you all don't mind me asking, For all of you who went from the R to the R5. is there much difference in the file flexiability between the two? Highlight and shadow recovery. Doing mostly landscapes, I think the biggest deal for me would be that along with color and maybe clarity.

I appologize if all of this is burried in this thread some where in this thread.

SereneSpeed wrote in post #19318705
Personally, I saw more of a change between the 5D3 to 5D4 than the 5D4/R to the R5. But yes, to me there's definitely a difference. Very small difference. Still 100% Canon colours. But, like all sensor changes, it's taking me a while to 'feel' the difference (I'm new to the R5 as well).

Agreed, 5D4 and R5 feel very similar to me.
I am however using either Canon's DPP or built in jpeg output, or Capture Ones RAW engine most often. I have no idea what any of them "look like" in LR.

mannetti21 wrote in post #19318719
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Of all the full-size cameras I've owned, and through all of the upgrades to each of those cameras, this is the first time I've thought to myself, "Wow, these colors look so much better." I bought this camera for the AF and the resolution, but it's a nice change to unexpectedly notice a difference rather than finding improvements through pixel-peeping.

If you essentially "skipped" the 5D4, this does not surprise me at ll. The difference between 5D3 and R5 will be VERY dramatic IMHO. I do recall being hugely amazed with the difference between the 5D3 and 4. I don't recall exactly where that generation of sensors began, 5D4 or the 1DX2, but that generation of sensors really punched up Canon's DR and color game.

lijoec wrote in post #19319065
I hope you all don't mind me asking, For all of you who went from the R to the R5. is there much difference in the file flexiability between the two? Highlight and shadow recovery. Doing mostly landscapes, I think the biggest deal for me would be that along with color and maybe clarity.

I appologize if all of this is burried in this thread some where in this thread.

The R5 is a little better on both accounts. I do not feel it's a lot. to me they feel very similar (as mentioned above comparing to the 5D4, which is essentially the same sensor in the R, ) But the R5 has more detail and I feel a little more leeway.

https://www.dxomark.co​m …n-EOS-R5___1106_1262_1355

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19319076
The R5 is a little better on both accounts. I do not feel it's a lot. to me they feel very similar (as mentioned above comparing to the 5D4, which is essentially the same sensor in the R, ) But the R5 has more detail and I feel a little more leeway.

https://www.dxomark.co​m …n-EOS-R5___1106_1262_1355

Thank you for the reply and link. I was trying to avoid looking for numbers on line. Chasing actual numbers can make me nuts, getting caught up in slight advances can waste tons of money.
When I went from the 80d to the R I was so extra happy with the file improvements. It was well worth the upgrade.
Right now I'm looking in advance of my next summers upgrade. I want to keep the R as back up and go to the R5, or use the R for landscapes and get the R3 for everything else.
I'll have the cash do to either by then, I just hate wasting money on minor advancements.
Thanks again for your help

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19319076
The R5 is a little better on both accounts. I do not feel it's a lot. to me they feel very similar (as mentioned above comparing to the 5D4, which is essentially the same sensor in the R, ) But the R5 has more detail and I feel a little more leeway.

https://www.dxomark.co​m …n-EOS-R5___1106_1262_1355

The R has the same sensor as the 5D4. That is why it was the only body that Adobe offered camera colour profiles a year before the other R bodies.

lijoec wrote in post #19319084
Thank you for the reply and link. I was trying to avoid looking for numbers on line. Chasing actual numbers can make me nuts, getting caught up in slight advances can waste tons of money.
When I went from the 80d to the R I was so extra happy with the file improvements. It was well worth the upgrade.
Right now I'm looking in advance of my next summers upgrade. I want to keep the R as back up and go to the R5, or use the R for landscapes and get the R3 for everything else.
I'll have the cash do to either by then, I just hate wasting money on minor advancements.
Thanks again for your help

I have to admit, I rarely look at those published numbers either. My initial replies are all based on my own "feel". After replying, I was curious to see if the measurements made by 3rd parties would agree with my gut. I was happy to see I was not dreaming

digital paradise wrote in post #19319088
The R has the same sensor as the 5D4. That is why it was the only body that Adobe offered camera colour profiles a year before the other R bodies.

Agreed.
It's just that every time I say they have "the same sensor," someone comes along and tells me that they measure differently (which they do) and it gets tedious revisiting the same topic over and over again. So I tried to be less specific to dodge that one this time, and yet here we are getting it from the other side!

The next answer to the questions that inevitably follow is "because mirrorless are different from DSLR, the sensor is always on, so it generates more heat, thus the very slight difference in measured noise handling/banding from the same sensor on two different cameras. Any actual changes in the manufacture of the R sensor vs the 5D4 sensor, (if any exist) would be solely about how these differing camera bodies function, and not about the photosites or the images they make."

to make matters worse, If you are Canon, and you tweak a thing or two for a sensor to make it more compatible with a newer body/digic/situation, you ALWAYS claim "All New Sensor" no matter how many cameras they put that same 18 MP APS-C in!!!!

Jake, have to second what you say. I came from the 5D MKIII to the R5 and have never been happier.

Eastcoast wrote in post #19319134
I came from the 5D MKIII to the R5 and have never been happier.

Ditto. Me too.

It was nearly a decade between cameras, and the R5 is a completely different experience in photography.

One more on the 5D3 to R5. It was a pleasant upgrade. I must say, however, that having to wait a year to get the camera-matching profiles in LR was annoying. I used a third-party profile set (Color Fidelity) and that was better but not as good as what I got from DPP. However, after a decade of using LR it was easier to just use the CF profiles and make manual adjustments as needed.

One thing that was really dramatic was the ability to make adjustments in post. With the R5 I can really compensate for all manner of sins in post, especially with the help of the likes of Topaz Labs tools. Sometimes I think to myself that the software improvements are really allowing me to do things I couldn't before. I get excited and then go back to re-process some older files (5DIII, 7DI and even T2i), and while the recent software tools do improve things in the older files, I feel the effect to be moderate. At the end of the day, it is the R5 that gives me that ability.

Update on the lens and r5 accident

Canon deemed my 400mm f2.8MkII lens beyond economical repair due to af problem and optics damaged . Insurance co said they will cover a new ef400mmf2.8 MKIII as a replacement which is a great outcome!

Now only the r5 to be assessed by Canon CPS/Service and thats repairable I think. So all in all great outcome to a horrible experience. Only problem now is a 2 month wait for the lens! Apparantly shortages of 400mmf2.8 and ef600 f4

Also Canon CPS came to the party and overnighted me a loaner r5 and a ef400mm f2.8 until r5 is fixed. Will have to give the ef400 f2.8 back in early Jan though as all loaner and spare Canon owned lens are reserved fo backup for the Australian Open but even still great they could spare it for a couple of weeks . Top Marks to Canon CPS as well for helping me out with a loaner.

Only thing I have to get over now is the massive paranoia I have now of dropping or breaking gear. Went out today with loaner stuff and was so worried about breaking something it stayed in my telephoto body/ lens backpack more than it did out!!

Cheers