Canon EOS R5 Unite and Discuss!

Immaculens wrote in post #19390177
Is there no mention of it addressing freezing issues?

Firmware 1.3.1 had the following. At the time some thought maybe 9 and 10 was a fix for freeze. But folks still reported freezes after that FW.
"Firmware Version 1.3.1 incorporates the following fixes and enhancements:
1. Adds [Canon Log 3] to [Canon Log settings]. You can select [Canon Log] or [Canon Log 3] from [Canon Log settings] in the Shooting tab of the menu.
- Support for RAW movies shot with Canon Log3 and RAW (Light) will be available in Cinema RAW Development and in Digital Photo Professional version in a future update.
- Digital Photo Professional will also support the processing of RAW movies shot in Canon Log3 settings and the application of Viewing LUT in a future update.
2. Adds [RAW (Light)] to the movie recording size and [IPB (Light)] to 8K/4K to enable lower bit rate shooting. These settings can also be selected when RAW+MP4 is set.
3. Adds a high frame rate of 119.9 fps/100.0 fps to the Full HD movie recording size.
4. Adds [Electronic full-time MF] to the AF tab of the menu. When a lens is attached, manual focus adjustment is always possible with both One-shot AF and Servo AF.
5. Adds [6: Monitor Off] to [Shooting info. disp.: Screen info. settings] in the Shooting tab of the menu. This update makes it possible for the camera's monitor to be turned off at all times during shooting.
6. The transfer time (estimated value) now displays on the camera monitor during FTP transfer.
7. Adds the ability, when transferring images via FTP, to select protected images that failed to be transferred and protected images that have not yet been transferred and transfer them all at once.
8. Adds [Save/load cam settings on card] to the Function settings tab of the menu.
This allows you to save the camera settings to a card, or load a saved file and restore the camera to the settings you saved to a card.
9. Fixes a phenomenon, in which, in rare instances, the camera does not function normally when using certain CFexpress cards.
10. Fixes a phenomenon, in which in rare instances, the camera cannot function normally when the drive mode is set to "High-speed continuous shooting" to shoot still images continuously.
11. Fixes a phenomenon in which the power may become suspended when the camera is powered via USB for an extended period of time.
12. Fixes a phenomenon, in which part of the settings screen is incorrectly displayed in Firmware Version 1.2.1.
13. Fixes a phenomenon, in which when shooting with Canon Log 3, if the [View Assist.] setting is set to [On], the image in the viewfinder and on the LCD screen is displayed brighter than it should be."

Immaculens wrote in post #19390177
Is there no mention of it addressing freezing issues?

Sometimes they do, but usually, they only make oblique statements about it. FW 1.5.1 was one of the more direct, I think:

"Changes in version 1.5.1:
1. Fixes an issue that in rare instances, the camera may become inoperable when shooting in the Servo AF setting while operating the <AF-ON> button."


For me, there was a noticeable increase in lockups when I moved to 1.5.0. They quickly put out 1.5.1 and my issues improved dramatically. I haven't had a lockup with 1.5.2 and can't remember if I had one with 1.5.1.

I've had (have to remove the battery type) lockups with the T2i & 5D3 (never had them with my 7DMKI). I'm not a professional who really needs to be able to catch critical moments for a living, so my perspective on this is much more relaxed.

The first time I had a freeze with the R5 my thoughts were: "OMG, OMG, I somehow damaged it!". After a while, my thoughts were: "Meh". Aside from the brief time I was on FW 1.5.0, it hasn't been something I think about.

Leigh wrote in post #19390201
I'd say the "bigger" question would be, Is it possible to do so with a firmware update.

Very true. When it was only the R3, I thought there were HW changes and the R5/6 didn't have those features. When the R7/10 are able to do it, I start to wonder if it is a capability that really only needs the DIGIC X.

My guess (or wild speculation) putting my engineer hat on is that Canon did an extensive review of the field results, professional testing, etc of the R5/6. They learned about stability issues, performance bottlenecks, maintainability, etc. Based on that they rearchitected the FW for the R3. When it came time for the R7/10 it was an easy decision to use the FW base with better maintainability, stability, performance, etc.

If that is the case, then the decision is:

A) Move the R5/6 to the new FW base. It will have better maintainability, stability, etc. We can reduce the maintenance the old FW base.
B) Just let it stand as is and only move the R5/6 to the new FW base in the MK II.

I can see it going either way with lots of pros and cons for each option.

No video use

chuckmiller wrote in post #19390194
Has Canon ever publicly acknowledged the freeze/lock-up issue? That seems to be separate from the over-heat issue.

I see such frequent wide-spread discussion of users suggesting to those with freezing issues to upgrade to 1.5.2 that I presumed Canon made mention of it. It even seems almost universally understood that 1.5.2 addressed the issue - yet no actual mention. Its clear a large portion of those with freezing issues got it rectified with 1.5.2 but certainly not all, either.

Dave63401 wrote in post #19390203
Firmware 1.3.1 had the following. At the time some thought maybe 9 and 10 was a fix for freeze. But folks still reported freezes after that FW.
"Firmware Version 1.3.1 incorporates the following fixes and enhancements:
1. Adds [Canon Log 3] to [Canon Log settings]. You can select [Canon Log] or [Canon Log 3] from [Canon Log settings] in the Shooting tab of the menu.
- Support for RAW movies shot with Canon Log3 and RAW (Light) will be available in Cinema RAW Development and in Digital Photo Professional version in a future update.
- Digital Photo Professional will also support the processing of RAW movies shot in Canon Log3 settings and the application of Viewing LUT in a future update.
2. Adds [RAW (Light)] to the movie recording size and [IPB (Light)] to 8K/4K to enable lower bit rate shooting. These settings can also be selected when RAW+MP4 is set.
3. Adds a high frame rate of 119.9 fps/100.0 fps to the Full HD movie recording size.
4. Adds [Electronic full-time MF] to the AF tab of the menu. When a lens is attached, manual focus adjustment is always possible with both One-shot AF and Servo AF.
5. Adds [6: Monitor Off] to [Shooting info. disp.: Screen info. settings] in the Shooting tab of the menu. This update makes it possible for the camera's monitor to be turned off at all times during shooting.
6. The transfer time (estimated value) now displays on the camera monitor during FTP transfer.
7. Adds the ability, when transferring images via FTP, to select protected images that failed to be transferred and protected images that have not yet been transferred and transfer them all at once.
8. Adds [Save/load cam settings on card] to the Function settings tab of the menu.
This allows you to save the camera settings to a card, or load a saved file and restore the camera to the settings you saved to a card.
9. Fixes a phenomenon, in which, in rare instances, the camera does not function normally when using certain CFexpress cards.
10. Fixes a phenomenon, in which in rare instances, the camera cannot function normally when the drive mode is set to "High-speed continuous shooting" to shoot still images continuously.
11. Fixes a phenomenon in which the power may become suspended when the camera is powered via USB for an extended period of time.
12. Fixes a phenomenon, in which part of the settings screen is incorrectly displayed in Firmware Version 1.2.1.
13. Fixes a phenomenon, in which when shooting with Canon Log 3, if the [View Assist.] setting is set to [On], the image in the viewfinder and on the LCD screen is displayed brighter than it should be."

PinholeR5 wrote in post #19390204
Sometimes they do, but usually, they only make oblique statements about it. FW 1.5.1 was one of the more direct, I think:

"Changes in version 1.5.1:
1. Fixes an issue that in rare instances, the camera may become inoperable when shooting in the Servo AF setting while operating the <AF-ON> button."

For me, there was a noticeable increase in lockups when I moved to 1.5.0. They quickly put out 1.5.1 and my issues improved dramatically. I haven't had a lockup with 1.5.2 and can't remember if I had one with 1.5.1.

I've had (have to remove the battery type) lockups with the T2i & 5D3 (never had them with my 7DMKI). I'm not a professional who really needs to be able to catch critical moments for a living, so my perspective on this is much more relaxed.

The first time I had a freeze with the R5 my thoughts were: "OMG, OMG, I somehow damaged it!". After a while, my thoughts were: "Meh". Aside from the brief time I was on FW 1.5.0, it hasn't been something I think about.

Ok, at least Canon acknowledged it vaguely in 1.3.1 and specifically in 1.5.1.
Makes me wonder if they attempted to further pin it down in 1.5.2 but thought it better to not mention it and 'see how it goes' lol

Immaculens wrote in post #19390269
Ok, at least Canon acknowledged it vaguely in 1.3.1 and specifically in 1.5.1.
Makes me wonder if they attempted to further pin it down in 1.5.2 but thought it better to not mention it and 'see how it goes' lol

I "think" they only mention fixes that have had an "official" complaint of some sort. They have other fixes maybe they have just found on their own. Or so I have read, so it has to be true(HAHA!)

I checked a couple of stores in Portland, OR and they are all backordered and no idea when they will have it. Best Buy last week had the R5 I could order, have it shipped to a Best Buy store in Portland for me to pick up later. But their web site doesn't allow that any more for some reason.

I ended up ordering an R5 from Allen's Camera in PA. They had one in stock. They offer free shipping and no tax for orders outside of PA. Separately, ordered a basic EF to RF adapter from Best Buy (only place I checked has it in stock) and Angelbird SE 512GB CFexpress card and its MKII reader from Amazon.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Litster wrote in post #19388355
Hi, I have just gotten back to photography after a long time. Looking to buy an R5 to replace my old 5D Mark II. Does anyone know of a reputable authorized reseller that ships without charging sales tax? Thanks!

LJ3Jim wrote in post #19388463
The B&H Payboo credit card does it legally. WA state (or any other state that has sales tax) gets the sales tax. B&H credits your purchase for that amount. Sounds a little weird, but it works. Use of the card probably goes onto your credit record, but I don't know that for sure. I used Payboo a few years ago for a 1DX2.

Canon Price Watch sometimes has a deal that doesn't charge tax. Send them a message to inquire. I've used CPW a number of times.

Given that you're in WA state, could you take cash to Oregon?

vision35 wrote in post #19388510
My personal experiences only. Not promoting any business. The store is 2 miles from home and convenient.
I did some online research then ordered my R5 for pick up at Best Buy a few weeks ago and it works great.
With a little effort and a quick phone call to the credit card company they switched it from 12 to 24 months interest free financing.
Packaging seals in place and not opened.
There was no package to leave on the front for porch pirates to steal either.
Over the years I purchased 5 camera bodies from them and 6 lenses. Three lenses are EF L USM and also picked up a 470 EX-AI Canon Speedlite.
No crushed boxes or returns necessary.
I personally believe or hope that retail store truck merchandise is most likely loaded and transported with greater care.

Anybody have $2K to spend?

https://shop.usa.canon​.com …SHEYE_PUSH&riid​=403182825

Lou

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19378440
...Having used that method successfully for years before the "spot" AF point was added to the latest generations of DLSR, combined with realizing after trying "spot" that using a single AF point I was able to achieve faster and more consistent results on my 7D2 and 5D3/4, it was an easy decision. Spot usefulness falls off quickly in lower light and contrast. Just a year before spot was introduced, we wanted all AF sensors to be "cross type" as they were inherently more consistent and worked better in lower light, etc. Spot is the antithesis of that logic.

Like any tool, are their times when spot AF will be helpful? Of course. But it's literally the worst choice for trying to track a fast moving subject...

Jake, this is interesting. For the 7D2, what AF mode were you in for that single AF point that isn't Spot? I've been trying different AF modes for different sports and could stand some more insight. And if you covered this in a 7D2 thread, I'm happy to pick it up there.

AntonLargiader wrote in post #19394161
Jake, this is interesting. For the 7D2, what AF mode were you in for that single AF point that isn't Spot? I've been trying different AF modes for different sports and could stand some more insight. And if you covered this in a 7D2 thread, I'm happy to pick it up there.

Selecting a single AF point is different from changing to "spot" AF point. There is some confusion about this.
Again, precision means using a smaller point, but it reduces overall effectiveness. there is not a lot describing this on the internet, but to at least see with images the difference in the setting for a "normal" single selected AF point vs. spot, and how that looks different in the viewfinder, see here. I'd read the whole page, but it's about halfway down when they show the viewfinder AF points as they appear where you will see if you've been using spot or a normal single af point.

https://www.dpreview.c​om …ws/canon-eos-7d-mark-ii/6

Back up to the top of the page where much ado is being paid to cross type sensors,. it is my hypothesis* that for "spot" to work on that much smaller AF area, it is not using the advantages of the cross type sensor to such a degree, if at all, and that would epxlian my own and many others feeling that a spot AF point can not work as well.

"Spot AF is like 1-point, but the AF point sensitive area is even smaller, making it ideal when you want to be super precise where the focus is. Also can help you get between the bars of a cage at the zoo. There can be a drawback for DSLRs in that the spot AF point is less able to detect rapid change of subject position, or quickly lock on to a significantly out of focus subject."

From Canon, RE 1D MkIV where I believe spot af was introduced;

The new AF system allows for considerable customization, particularly because new controls have been added to the complement of Custom Functions.

Some examples of situations in which Spot AF will be effective include staying focused on the eye of a helmeted driver in an open-cockpit racing car, capturing an athlete on a distant victory stand without using a telephoto lens and being confident the cropped photo will be clear enough, capturing baseball players through the backstop and photographing wild animals through trees in a forest.

Spot AF works regardless of the AF mode and AF point selection method. It is especially effective for manual AF point selection. However, since the decrease in size may make it difficult to keep the AF point centered on an erratically moving subject, focusing might be difficult.When starting with a scene entirely out of focus, Spot AF focusing may be slow. As a reminder that Spot AF has been set, the AF point display in the viewfinder will flash brighter than normal.



*truly a theory, I have no information to back this up.

I've been chasing Western Tanagers the past two weeks mainly up in trees. I switched to Spot AF after 8 out of 9 shots mis-focussed behind the bird. The regular focus point - to my eye - was bang on the bird yet it preferred the bg. I've continued shooting in trees with Spot and have not had an issue since.

It sounds like you are saying that Spot can be too spot. If I'm shooting an athlete in Spot, could it be that the AF only picks up a featureless section of the jersey rather than the contrast edge between the jersey and the number that I intend?

I've been using the 5- and 9-point AF arrays mostly, but I know I have used Spot also.

AntonLargiader wrote in post #19394423
It sounds like you are saying that Spot can be too spot. If I'm shooting an athlete in Spot, could it be that the AF only picks up a featureless section of the jersey rather than the contrast edge between the jersey and the number that I intend?

I've been using the 5- and 9-point AF arrays mostly, but I know I have used Spot also.

I have found that situation to occur

AntonLargiader wrote in post #19394423
It sounds like you are saying that Spot can be too spot. If I'm shooting an athlete in Spot, could it be that the AF only picks up a featureless section of the jersey rather than the contrast edge between the jersey and the number that I intend?

I've been using the 5- and 9-point AF arrays mostly, but I know I have used Spot also.

IMO, Spot AF is best for small, stationary targets, especially in congested surroundings--branches, leaves, etc.

For moving targets of any size Spot could be challenging for even the "most" adept, skilled hand trackers.

The expansion Modes with an additional button to quickly actuate eye detection right after the expansion Mode nails focus, is perhaps a more prudent approach.