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Jul 15, 2020 16:21 |  #361

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I will wait until we get real reviews and see if Canon does anything in firmware to address the heat issues.

I have read bits and pieces about it. What could FM do to get past the physics of the tight space that is one contributing factor.


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Jul 15, 2020 16:26 as a reply to  @ post 19093873 |  #362

It seems that Canon chose to keep the bodies compact, sacrificing design space needed for better fundamental cooling. Methinks that the only solutions are

  • less power hungry semiconductor circuitry (probably necessitating a whole new seminductor process yet to be invented -- or yet to be put into any Canon semiconductor plant...overhead of millions of dollars in retooling, which are not readily available to Canon),
  • Or making a body more like a 5D in order to incorporate cooling features into the body design...conducting away heat to cooling fins in air passages that have airflow thru them to externalize the heat without creating sensor dust issues.


Speaking of sensor dust, has anyone seen an image of a R5/R6 body without mounted lens...is there a dust baffle that covers the sensor during lens change? Same question for R and RP, protection of sensor from dust?

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Jul 15, 2020 16:43 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #363

When you change the lens both r5 and r6 will have that window that close the sensor!

From CanonRumors.com "● A dustproof and drip-proof structure is adopted to prevent water droplets and sand dust from entering the camera. In addition, a lightweight and highly rigid polycarbonate resin is used for the exterior, achieving both reliability and mobility."


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Jul 15, 2020 17:14 |  #364

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It will be interesting to see if they can do anything. There's a lot of computing and data being moved around and I don't think there is much much software can do about it, except to go to a reduced-feature mode (loss of resolution, frames-per-second, or something else)

I think you are correct and if that is the case it is unfortunate as my 1DX3 has none of these limitations. I wonder if using an external recorder would make any difference.


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Jul 15, 2020 17:37 |  #365

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I have read bits and pieces about it. What could FM do to get past the physics of the tight space that is one contributing factor.

Less intensive codec, reduced color bits, lower quality sampling. 3K to 4K upscale trick they do with the 90D.

Apparently, they have a lower quality option for the R5 and that includes two no overheating modes with 4K recording.


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Jul 15, 2020 18:08 |  #366

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Less intensive codec, reduced color bits, lower quality sampling. 3K to 4K upscale trick they do with the 90D.

Apparently, they have a lower quality option for the R5 and that includes two no overheating modes with 4K recording.

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Jul 15, 2020 18:14 |  #367

MinhThien wrote in post #19093887 (external link)
When you change the lens both r5 and r6 will have that window that close the sensor!

From CanonRumors.com "● A dustproof and drip-proof structure is adopted to prevent water droplets and sand dust from entering the camera. In addition, a lightweight and highly rigid polycarbonate resin is used for the exterior, achieving both reliability and mobility."

That is one complaint I read as I was exploring Sony. Open sensor.


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Jul 15, 2020 22:01 |  #368

Canon issues statement regarding EOS R5 & R6 overheating during video recording:

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Jul 16, 2020 01:27 |  #370

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It’s not related to stills, only high quality video

WHAT is not related to stills, only high quality (sic) video? If you mean the R5, I say bull...pucky.. We Canonites would still be lined up thousands deep for this apparently EXCELLENT stills camera.


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Jul 16, 2020 05:41 as a reply to  @ jeffreybehr's post |  #371

The over heating is related to certain high end video modes..... If you read the reply a bit more closely.

"Its" = "Overheating issue"


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Jul 16, 2020 08:22 |  #372

Direct from Canon

"We believe the EOS R6 offers the best in class performance, especially for enthusiast photographers and video content creators.

The EOS R6 can record up to the 29 minutes 59 second recording limit in the 5.1K oversampled 4K 60p mode at (23°C / 73°F) before encountering any heat related issues within the camera and up to 40 minutes of 4K at 30p.

If you need to record for longer periods of time and don’t want to encounter any major heat issues, the R6 is probably a better option than the R5"


Its definitely the R6 for me- My thoughts are that canon has crammed in so much into this R5 that there is a possibility that the way I shoot..leaving the camera on most of the day, chimping to inspect shots and things of this nature that wedding photographers do.....Im willing to give up the MPs' for a body that is likely to have less issues.....The ISO on this R6 looks insanely good...I have plenty of reach to get pixels on target...The R6 is probably the 1Dx3 sensor and the detail on Robamys wildlife shots on his 1Dx3 are insanely good.....with reach...I dont know why wildlife photographers would opt for a 45mp sensor....I printed several 16x24 prints for my family room with the 1Dx2 sensor....detail in eagles is phenominal....Cant see it getting any better unless you print on acrylic and even then.....I just dont see it getting any better.....commercial printers are no where near capabilities of camera sensors......and you dont need a 45mp sensor to put atta boy images on the net.

my guess is that the majority of photographers....90% do not shoot professionally and do not need the horsepower that the R5 is offering....And 90% of the professional photographers that do shoot for a living dont want to deal with a 45MP sensor....very few instances for me that I would want that much sensor....maybe fine art portraits

I dont shoot video so I doubt any overheat issues would affect me other than having this R5 out in the sun all day and leaving it on most of the day for my workflow......not gonna take that chance

R6 all the way for me

Read here for overheat statement...i think its been posted

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Jul 16, 2020 08:28 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #373

Wow that's pretty honest. I too am going for the R6. But will wait 'til next year unless there are crazy deals on BF. Or a EOS R II is announced with 30+MP. But I get the feeling the EOS R may be done. I believe Canon needed to to get a MILC out there and the R5/R6 was already being worked on.


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Jul 16, 2020 09:57 |  #374

Well said, I agree 100%.

I'm not into video much at all. My last dedicated video camera took those mini VHS tapes . . . VHS C? So this is a real question, not a passive/aggressive inflammatory one: Would a professional videographer opt for an R5 or similar DSLR if video was their MAIN use? I thought video was added to DSLRs because it easy for the manufacturer and convenient for the buyer (didn't hurt marketing either) and NOT to actually be a true "video" camera. I haven't shopped for video cameras in a couple of decades either so I have no idea what they are like and what they offer - is there a better choice for primarily video? I ask because it seems that people are so freaked out about the time limit. To me a half hour is way more than enough for a quick "target of opportunity" video. I get the overheating being a concern but I'm sure most computers would choke on an almost 30 minute file out of the R6 let alone the R5!

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Its definitely the R6 for me- My thoughts are that canon has crammed in so much into this R5 that there is a possibility that the way I shoot..leaving the camera on most of the day, chimping to inspect shots and things of this nature that wedding photographers do.....Im willing to give up the MPs' for a body that is likely to have less issues.....The ISO on this R6 looks insanely good...I have plenty of reach to get pixels on target...The R6 is probably the 1Dx3 sensor and the detail on Robamys wildlife shots on his 1Dx3 are insanely good.....with reach...I dont know why wildlife photographers would opt for a 45mp sensor....I printed several 16x24 prints for my family room with the 1Dx2 sensor....detail in eagles is phenominal....Cant see it getting any better unless you print on acrylic and even then.....I just dont see it getting any better.....commercial printers are no where near capabilities of camera sensors......and you dont need a 45mp sensor to put atta boy images on the net.

my guess is that the majority of photographers....90% do not shoot professionally and do not need the horsepower that the R5 is offering....And 90% of the professional photographers that do shoot for a living dont want to deal with a 45MP sensor....very few instances for me that I would want that much sensor....maybe fine art portraits

I dont shoot video so I doubt any overheat issues would affect me other than having this R5 out in the sun all day and leaving it on most of the day for my workflow......not gonna take that chance

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Jul 16, 2020 09:58 |  #375

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Speaking of sensor dust, has anyone seen an image of a R5/R6 body without mounted lens...is there a dust baffle that covers the sensor during lens change? Same question for R and RP, protection of sensor from dust?

The EOS R does have a door that closes over the sensor when the power is turned off. RP did not have that feature.


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