R5 v/s R6- here they are. which for you and why ?

Archibald wrote in post #19106737
It would be cool to see a return of leaf shutters, but I doubt we will see them with the necessary precision, or doing 1/8000 second exposures.

Particular in view of mirrorless with EVF!

LoneRider wrote in post #19106744
Likewise.

I’m curious if those that shoot “thousands” of frames at a wedding did so in film days and how many shots are delivered to the customer. Seems like “spray and pray” instead of photography.

In my shooting weddings with medium format film, I would typically shoot about 300 shots, bringing 12-15 rolls of 220 film with me, and delivering 120-150 proofs for a typical coverage. More, when requested that additional coverage be done.

This 3000 photo wedding coverage BS is only due to digital 'shots are free' mentality. Ignoring the cost of replacing a shutter! When our youngest daughter got married, that is what they delivered to her and it took her more than 6 months to decide which photos to go into her album. That wasn't doing any indecisive bride any favors!

Bodies used to be 'lifetime' in endurance at 36 shots per roll and it costing for every roll and for every roll to the processed and then proofs printed, and now you hear about someone on their 2nd and 3rd shutter in a body (with 150k estimated lifetime on each one!)

Wilt wrote in post #19106827
Particular in view of mirrorless with EVF!

I have figured out a way to eliminate EVF wake up lag and not waste battery power for birding/sports. The EVF lag/blackout is not an issue an issue with these bodies. The readout speed for the R6 is 19ms and just found out the R5 comes in at 16ms. Pretty amazing when you think about that it has move 45mp of data.

The only issue with these cameras is some rolling shutter distortion in E shutter.

This was interesting. There is more description on post 9

https://www.fredmirand​a.com …topic/1653903/2​2#15309722

Wilt wrote in post #19106830
In my shooting weddings with medium format film, I would typically shoot about 300 hots, bringing 12-15 rolls of 220 film with me, and delivering 120-150 proofs for a typical coverage. More, when requested that addition coverage by done.

This 3000 photo wedding coverage BS is only due to digital 'shots are free' mentality. Ignoring the cost of replacing a shutter! When our youngest daughter got married, that is what they delivered to her and it took her more than 6 months to decide which photos to go into her album. That wasn't doing any indecisive bride any favors!

Bodies used to be 'lifetime' in endurance at 36 shots per roll and it costing for every roll and for every roll to the processed and then proofs printed, and now you hear about someone on their 2nd and 3rd shutter in a body (with 150k estimated lifetime on each one!)

I have never replaced a shutter in the 15 years of owning Canon. Even if you do have to, it is only a few hundred dollars to do so, of which the proceeds for one wedding takes care of.

3000 probably includes both shooters and bursts, correct? Also this likely covers the prep before the wedding and the reception. My last wedding was almost 12 hours. I accumulated quite a few files, but not that many.

Let's look at realistic expectations. Any camera you would use for paid wedding photography will go 200K at least for shots. If the camera actually requires a shutter in this time, then lets go 1.5 times this period for the time you can use the camera for weddings = 350K shots. If you shoot 1500 per event, that would be 233 weddings. If the shutter replacement costs you $800, that is $3.44 per wedding, which is so small as to be less than a Starbucks coffee. These same folks likely have joined CPS and this cost would be lower even.

Plus the typical business person would have already done this math and priced their wedding packages according to cover the original cost, repair costs, and cards costs, along with time to process, the time to shoot (x number of shooters), and a tidy profit.

Wilt wrote in post #19106830
In my shooting weddings with medium format film, I would typically shoot about 300 hots, bringing 12-15 rolls of 220 film with me, and delivering 120-150 proofs for a typical coverage. More, when requested that addition coverage by done.

This 3000 photo wedding coverage BS is only due to digital 'shots are free' mentality. Ignoring the cost of replacing a shutter! When our youngest daughter got married, that is what they delivered to her and it took her more than 6 months to decide which photos to go into her album. That wasn't doing any indecisive bride any favors!

Bodies used to be 'lifetime' in endurance at 36 shots per roll and it costing for every roll and for every roll to the processed and then proofs printed, and now you hear about someone on their 2nd and 3rd shutter in a body (with 150k estimated lifetime on each one!)

These days you are talking about are long long gone

A film photographer of this mature WOULD NOT get hired by todays bridal markets

you better be able to deliver 5-600 good shots or more or you simply will not get hired

umphotography wrote in post #19106873
These days you are talking about are long long gone

A film photographer of this mature WOULD NOT get hired by todays bridal markets

you better be able to deliver 5-600 good shots or more or you simply will not get hired

That's true!

Yesteryear's cars that were considered fast (like in the 90s) were running 13s and 14s in the quarter from the factory. Now if you try to run those cars today on the street, or on the track, you would get laughed at. You better be running really low 12s, if not 11s in the quarter with your factory vehicle, and that doesn't even garner that much respect any more.

Funny how our standards, speeds, throughput, deliverables, and a host of other things have changed over the years. Keep up... or get out of the way!

umphotography wrote in post #19106873
These days you are talking about are long long gone

A film photographer of this mature WOULD NOT get hired by todays bridal markets

you better be able to deliver 5-600 good shots or more or you simply will not get hired

I know the world is very different photographically. I would not want to be in it, under these conditions and expectations.
Now you have to spend hours postprocessing, after the 10-12 hour shoots. It used to be you simply sent the film to the lab, then got back proofs to select which ones to present...not all that time consuming.

Wilt wrote in post #19106882
I know the world is very different photographically. I would not want to be in it, under these conditions and expectations.
Now you have to spend hours postprocessing, after the 10-12 hour shoots. It used to be you simply sent the film to the lab, then got back proofs to select which ones to present...not all that time consuming.

You can outsource PP.

digital paradise wrote in post #19106893
You can outsource PP.

Just curious how that affects the bottom line of the wedding photographer?...or ups the cost of coverage to the bride?

You can also just perform bulk actions on groups of images. That is the easier thing. All (good) tools allow bulk actions on the raw or JPG, and all the shots taken in the same venue/building/outdoor area can be processed identically. Then all you worry about is composition edits and tweaks to some images as they need it. This is especially true if you shoot manual mode and get your exposures pretty nailed in each section of the event.

Also, you would cull all those shots to get the best from each burst or each setting, and then concentrate on those. If anything looks wonky, you go back to your original pile of images to find a possible replacement. You don't actually process all 3000 images.

I use LR presets, and bulk techniques in LR ('make all these images use the same parameters as this picture'). It shortens the process certainly, but nevertheless one needs to crop out distracting things, perform unique tweaks on one shot and not on another, etc. I know what it is like to come back from vacation with thousands of photos. Still far faster to drop 10 rolls in a padded envelope and stick postage on it!

umphotography wrote in post #19106873
These days you are talking about are long long gone

A film photographer of this mature WOULD NOT get hired by todays bridal markets

you better be able to deliver 5-600 good shots or more or you simply will not get hired

500-600 delivered shots for $1800? To each their own, I guess.

idkdc wrote in post #19106910
500-600 delivered shots for $1800? To each their own, I guess.

Hmmm...in the 1990s I would typically deliver around 120-150 proofs, and they would be paying me about $1500. More shots than that, more money in the contract. It seems photographers work more slavishly today for the buck.

I only deliver 200-300 pictures, that is more than enough to fill some albums, and then I charge extra for any dup prints for the rest of the family, etc. Depends on the market you are in.

Okay let's get back to the regularly scheduled program. The R5/R6 overheating..