R6 (and maybe R5) overheating issue

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digital paradise wrote in post #19112043
https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/post/6428117​4

To be fair, I think this guy has a vendetta against canon. But he brings up interesting points that leads me to believe that canon took some short cuts with the design of this camera....and I firmly believe that canon realized this camera has a problem after they were to far into the building process to make a change....I mean what are you going to do with 1 million camera bodies that were not designed with outlets for heat to escape.....start over?

BUT

As long as this is not a concern for regular stills photography, then it looks like this R5 is a sensible and great upgrade for the canon line up....puts it right there with the A9 with specs and performance

Its too bad canon over sold this camera for videographers- I see why they are pisssy about this product

As long as this overheat situation DOES NOT EFFECT stills photographers who shoot events and weddings.....I think canon has a winner for these markets with the R5

So far I have not read a single incident that the camera has shut down shooing stills- Just heat warn lights

I think image quality with heat warn lights on needs to be researched more. If it gets a green light and stills photographers can use with confidence............​ARE YOU READY FOR THIS........R5 for me. I can use the 5D4 and 1Dx2 at receptions until one of them wears out....and then I will grab an R6 for smaller file needs like wedding receptions

Hows that for a change of heart

Canon had a chance to delay of the launch of the R5 and R6 to a point in which the world population had a better economy for spending discretionary income, rather than widespread loss of jobs or inability to work due to shelter-at-home mandates. When working pro photographers had jobs, not cancellations. Instead they chose to launch in 2020, when the glass is half empty they tend to see the negative side of things.

umphotography wrote in post #19112056
I think image quality with heat warn lights on needs to be researched more. If it gets a green light and stills photographers can use with confidence............​ARE YOU READY FOR THIS........R5 for me. I can use the 5D4 and 1Dx2 at receptions until one of them wears out....and then I will grab an R6 for smaller file needs like wedding receptions

Hows that for a change of heart

Holy Jesus H. Christ, Mother of Mary, [Insert more curse words, choice expletives and swears]

*motions to photographer* Quick, take a picture of this moment!

Cut to long, then medium close up.

Ribbon cuts, confetti falls, as Mike shakes hands with Fujio Mitarai (who has bleep-eating grin on his face), Kaz Hiram on a chair in the background weeping ugly mascara tears.

Scene exit.

Wilt wrote in post #19112059
Canon had a chance to delay of the launch of the R5 and R6 to a point in which the world population had a better economy for spending discretionary income, rather than widespread loss of jobs or inability to work due to shelter-at-home mandates. When working pro photographers had jobs, not cancellations. Instead they chose to launch in 2020, when the glass is half empty they tend to see the negative side of things.

It’s not that easy to stop your production lines and tooling. As someone who used to work in product design and development, it’s a 6-12 month process to get them up and running and significant capital investment. Better some income than no income from shutting down the production line.

idkdc wrote in post #19112060
Holy Jesus H. Christ, Mother of Mary, [Insert more curse words, choice expletives and swears]

*motions to photographer* Quick, take a picture of this moment!

Cut to long, then medium close up.

Ribbon cuts, confetti falls, as Mike shakes hands with Fujio Mitarai (who has bleep-eating grin on his face), Kaz Hiram on a chair in the background weeping ugly mascara tears.

Scene exit.

Ahahahha

Im getting my new wedding attire ready...gonna take one for the team....poor videographers.....Pfff​fft...they are a pain to deal with anyway at weddings

hey video guys

It was

umphotography wrote in post #19112063
Ahahahha

Im getting my new wedding attire ready...gonna take one for the team....poor videographers.....Pfff​fft...they are a pain to deal with anyway at weddings

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forum: Canon Digital Cameras

RIGHT? (as someone who has been in both roles) "Mofos get out of my frame!"

Photographer: “I’d like to get a shot of the couple going down the aisle, can you make sure to give me some room and time with you out of the frame”
Videographer: “Got it, sure thing.”
Photographer: “Great, I really appreciate it.”
Videographer proceeds to walk down the effing length of the aisle with stupid cheap steadicam knock-off.
Photographer throws up arms in disbelief.

I've been shooting Canon digital since the 10D in 2003, and shot with Canon DSLR as old as the first D30.

I've upgraded many times, based on the new bodies specs/features as advertised by Canon. As a wildlife/action oriented shooter and a dark performance shooter, each upgrade in AF tracking/speed and image quality in low light has been a worthwhile incremental improvement in keepers for my needs.

All bodies from the first have had features I found I did not use or need.

NONE have advertised specs/features that simply were not usable or available.
The only time I have been let down was when the 1D MkIII AF was so broken it was worse than it's predecessor in that one regard. This was a proven issue that Canon eventually (dragged kicking and screaming) fixed.

Comparing the limitations of use due to heat of the R5/6 to anything prior is misguided, as this is new territory.
IMHO this is the beginning of a slippery slope. As a Canon shooter, what I have come to expect, and still expect, (demand) is not the latest this and that, not the most bells and whistles, but I expect the most reliable solid gear I can bring to the gunfight.
When I am in the dusty salt pans of Etosha in Namibia in the dry season, I could give a hoot if my camera has the best DR or the latest wifi connectivity. I want a rock. A tool that does what I need of it in harsh conditions.
Canon has given me that, often at the expense of being seen as the best by the bells and whistles crowd.
It makes me nervous to see this departure.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19112085
I've been shooting Canon digital since the 10D in 2003, and shot with Canon DSLR as old as the first D30.

I've upgraded many times, based on the new bodies specs/features as advertised by Canon. As a wildlife/action oriented shooter and a dark performance shooter, each upgrade in AF tracking/speed and image quality in low light has been a worthwhile incremental improvement in keepers for my needs.

All bodies from the first have had features I found I did not use or need.

NONE have advertised specs/features that simply were not usable or available.
The only time I have been let down was when the 1D MkIII AF was so broken it was worse than it's predecessor in that one regard. This was a proven issue that Canon eventually (dragged kicking and screaming) fixed.

Comparing the limitations of use due to heat of the R5/6 to anything prior is misguided, as this is new territory.
IMHO this is the beginning of a slippery slope. As a Canon shooter, what I have come to expect, and still expect, (demand) is not the latest this and that, not the most bells and whistles, but I expect the most reliable solid gear I can bring to the gunfight.
When I am in the dusty salt pans of Etosha in Namibia in the dry season, I could give a hoot if my camera has the best DR or the latest wifi connectivity. I want a rock. A tool that does what I need of it in harsh conditions.
Canon has given me that, often at the expense of being seen as the best by the bells and whistles crowd.
It makes me nervous to see this departure.

Awesome post.

Mic drop moment! I suppose a keyboard drop would be more appropriate in this case?

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19112085
I've been shooting Canon digital since the 10D in 2003, and shot with Canon DSLR as old as the first D30.

I've upgraded many times, based on the new bodies specs/features as advertised by Canon. As a wildlife/action oriented shooter and a dark performance shooter, each upgrade in AF tracking/speed and image quality in low light has been a worthwhile incremental improvement in keepers for my needs.

All bodies from the first have had features I found I did not use or need.

NONE have advertised specs/features that simply were not usable or available.
The only time I have been let down was when the 1D MkIII AF was so broken it was worse than it's predecessor in that one regard. This was a proven issue that Canon eventually (dragged kicking and screaming) fixed.

Comparing the limitations of use due to heat of the R5/6 to anything prior is misguided, as this is new territory.
IMHO this is the beginning of a slippery slope. As a Canon shooter, what I have come to expect, and still expect, (demand) is not the latest this and that, not the most bells and whistles, but I expect the most reliable solid gear I can bring to the gunfight.
When I am in the dusty salt pans of Etosha in Namibia in the dry season, I could give a hoot if my camera has the best DR or the latest wifi connectivity. I want a rock. A tool that does what I need of it in harsh conditions.
Canon has given me that, often at the expense of being seen as the best by the bells and whistles crowd.
It makes me nervous to see this departure.

Agree on all points

From everything I can read this appears to affect video only and I agree this is a very slippery slope for Canon

I WILL NOT be the first to buy one of these. Im going to wait at least 6 months. I need event photographers to report back for stills use and if they see any image issues when this heat warn light situations happens

From Everything I can see.....IF THE OVERHEAT ISSUE WAS NOT PRESENT....This R5 is in Sony A9 territory and its better in some regards....So thats a significant upgrade for canon in the mirrorless category and gets pros like me into mirrorless technology.

If this only affects videography guys and has no affect for stills shooters, then I am inclined to buy an R5

But make no mistake- this is a big big black eye for canon. Like you I expect the best when I purchase a pro grade body. This overheat situation misses the mark of excellent for pro use by a big margin.....If your a video guy...or so it appears.

idkdc wrote in post #19111960
Sure thing! Thank you for obliging this old soul. That's honestly a really good and possibly the best approach!

If I won the lottery and could retire today, I wouldn’t mess with video at all except to keep a team together and entertained. For personal enjoyment if I were by myself, I think that still photography is just a lot more relaxing, fun, and instantaneous with the dopamine to effort ratio, and it doesn’t consume my time and life learning every day.

When people ask which I'd rather do: video or stills, I tell them that I thought a lot about it and as much as I enjoy both, if I were at an event and shooting stills would I be jealous of the video guy? If I were shooting video would I be jealous of the stills guy?
I absolutely love shooting stills and have only picked up video as a way to keep clients. I do enjoy it but it's a lot more work than I ever thought it would be.

umphotography wrote in post #19112056
To be fair, I think this guy has a vendetta against canon. But he brings up interesting points that leads me to believe that canon took some short cuts with the design of this camera....and I firmly believe that canon realized this camera has a problem after they were to far into the building process to make a change....I mean what are you going to do with 1 million camera bodies that were not designed with outlets for heat to escape.....start over?

BUT

As long as this is not a concern for regular stills photography, then it looks like this R5 is a sensible and great upgrade for the canon line up....puts it right there with the A9 with specs and performance

Its too bad canon over sold this camera for videographers- I see why they are pisssy about this product

As long as this overheat situation DOES NOT EFFECT stills photographers who shoot events and weddings.....I think canon has a winner for these markets with the R5

So far I have not read a single incident that the camera has shut down shooing stills- Just heat warn lights

I think image quality with heat warn lights on needs to be researched more. If it gets a green light and stills photographers can use with confidence............​ARE YOU READY FOR THIS........R5 for me. I can use the 5D4 and 1Dx2 at receptions until one of them wears out....and then I will grab an R6 for smaller file needs like wedding receptions

Hows that for a change of heart

From what I'm seeing, the main limitations with the R5 is shooting 8K internal. Earlier I linked an article about why stills cameras cap at 30 minutes video (tax), and the earliest HDSLRs actually had smaller recording times because of overheating issues (at 1080P then!). These issues don't happen with full video cameras (and cinema cameras that are capable of 8K) because of their design/intent. They also have a big advantage with Hollywood in that they're full fledged cinema cameras with rotary mechanical shutters (where these still cameras rely on e-shutters for video that can highlight rolling shutter). Before all this hubbub about overheating with 8K, I did see hype about how this camera could be a game changer with video production. I was very skeptical because it doesn't meet the standards for a production video camera. It falls in line with being a B-roll camera of 20 mins max, 8 mins if over-heated. And if you're a photographer wanting to do events video, seems 4K/30fps and under can do fine with meeting the 30 min max.

I'm not an early adopter, so I'll see. If current indications are that stills or video up to 4K/30 is dropping quality, then I think it could be addressed with firmware. As has been indicated with other posters, the whole system is comprised of hardware that can dissipate some heat and also has temperature probes. The firmware is designed to gauge those sensed temperatures and then can throttle down (or even turn off) features until the temps go back to what was programmed. If these values are too conservative, then maybe future firmware upgrades will push up those tolerances so that there is no issue with stills and video up to 4K/30 (and video above that, there is a limitation).

idkdc wrote in post #19111887
Bingo. You don’t need a YouTube video to figure this out.

All of these cameras record 4K or 1080P in 4:2:2 8 bit with no LOG or serious crop to prevent overheating.

When my R5 comes, I plan to measure the power it consumes through a dummy battery with all the various features turned on and off, to see what really uses power. This is a lot easier than waiting to see when the camera gives a warning, I think.

John Sheehy wrote in post #19112342
When my R5 comes, I plan to measure the power it consumes through a dummy battery with all the various features turned on and off, to see what really uses power. This is a lot easier than waiting to see when the camera gives a warning, I think.

I'd be really interested in your results! Please keep us posted.