R6 (and maybe R5) overheating issue

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This thread is on the fast track for being shut down just like the other one. Let's get back to critiquing Canon, it's more fun.

Wilt wrote in post #19120649
The statement, "I mean, this is your MO, state something contrarian with CAPS LOCK and loaded language" has nothing to do with a product characteristic or its use. It is a criticism of ME.

It's not a criticism of you. It's a comment on exactly the way you're typing in just the previous message I answered. No one here is "debating" or "bickering" with you (those are verbatim your words). We have our own opinions and you have yours. You can't just post something and not expect anyone to have a different opinion. We can always say agree to disagree (I've said it several times before), but that doesn't seem to be what you're happy with.

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #19120651
Is there any way to block somebody on POTN? I've seen it on virtually every forum I've ever worked, but I can't seem to find it here.

Click their name on the left panel, and down the left side of the resulting screen, you have some options around that member.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19120652
This thread is on the fast track for being shut down just like the other one. Let's get back to critiquing Canon, it's more fun.

I agree, thanks for getting us back on track!

So I have found that using the LCD quite a bit really does warm up the body. I can feel in the lower left side of the camera as I hold it. I typically don't work the LCD that much, but in the first two days of ownership, I am in the menus ALOT configuring buttons, setting up different AF modes tied to the back buttons, and setting up my menu. I assume there is an LCD controller of sorts on the back panel in that general area?

It gets a bit warmer than any of my other bodies. It takes about 15 minutes to get back to something I no longer notice. I wish Canon had employed a temp gauge on this like a battery gauge instead of 2 indicators, I would love to see what activities cause it to go up.

I tried focus bracketing for the first time and it works quite well. Takes a bit of time to get to the final product, but I didn't think it would work well. I was wrong.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19120658
So I have found that using the LCD quite a bit really does warm up the body. I can feel in the lower left side of the camera as I hold it. I typically don't work the LCD that much, but in the first two days of ownership, I am in the menus ALOT configuring buttons, setting up different AF modes tied to the back buttons, and setting up my menu. I assume there is an LCD controller of sorts on the back panel in that general area?

It gets a bit warmer than any of my other bodies. It takes about 15 minutes to get back to something I no longer notice. I wish Canon had employed a temp gauge on this like a battery gauge instead of 2 indicators, I would love to see what activities cause it to go up.

Which camera do you have right now, the R5 or R6? Temperature gauge would be nice to have for techies.

R6, since it was available immediately here locally. I was holding out for an R5, but decided to just wait on that for a future purchase to replace the 5D4.

I am not a big fan of the 24-105 kit lens, it's ok, but in low light, the camera is simply unable to lock focus in Servo. I can't sell the lens until my adapter gets here.

It took me a better part of yesterday evening and this morning to completely configure it how I need it with 2 BBF buttons, and 2 custom slots defined. I think about everything I need from the countless menus are now in my 3-4 My Menus as well, so I don't have to go hunt for things.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19120660
R6, since it was available immediately here locally. I was holding out for an R5, but decided to just wait on that for a future purchase to replace the 5D4.

I know it's a bit of a tangent from the overheating topic, but how do you like it so far? I purchased the Z6 before diving into the Z7 and might do the same thing with the R6. Do you expect it to be a nice supplement to the R5 for low light? That's how I use my Z6 with my Z7 and D850.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19120660
It took me a better part of yesterday evening and this morning to completely configure it how I need it with 2 BBF buttons, and 2 custom slots defined. I think about everything I need from the countless menus are now in my 3-4 My Menus as well, so I don't have to go hunt for things.

~Are you using an adapter with EF lenses? How's the autofocus so far going that route? I'm wondering if these new cameras will breath new life into my lenses.~ *Cross out* apologies, I just reread your last message and saw that you're waiting for the adapter!

Also are you using the battery grip and if so, how do you like it?

idkdc wrote in post #19120661
I know it's a bit of a tangent from the overheating topic, but how do you like it so far? I purchased the Z6 before diving into the Z7 and might do the same thing with the R6. Do you expect it to be a nice supplement to the R5 for low light? That's how I use my Z6 with my Z7 and D850.

IQ is phenomenal really. I can make my 5D4 sing pretty good at high ISO, but this is another level up at this point, probably a stop better. Eye AF is so much better now over what the R (and the M50) had. I did some senior portraits today, and it feels like cheating where I all have to do is worry about composure. The eyes are found EVERY SINGLE time, so I don't worry about that, just composition and timing.

20Mpx vs 30Mpx of the 5D4: I can resample the R6 up if needed, and the end results are still very, very good.

I figure later too, it will be easier to sell the R6 if I need to, since it is a lower price tier.

We don't have too many birds left now at this time of year, so I have to find other wildlife to shoot later.

I don't have an adapter yet. I did with my R and my EF lenses worked great with that, so I expect nothing less with the R6. No battery grip at this point, not sure I will get one or not.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19120648
This warning didn't come about with the R5/R6. It has always been there since Live view was introduced. In fact the same warnings about temperatures and degraded image quality was in the 40D manual.

A timer circuit is useful for many things other than video. There are many timing related functions in still mode.

I understand the history behind Live View for extended periods, with the 40D. I still have one of those.
But then the issue of sensor heating managed to vanish for a long time. When I asked if the issue had been solved in mirrorless (multiple times I have asked on POTN), there was no reply received on that topic. So I assumed (apparently wrongly) that the issue had indeed been solved with newer technology

Now we have mirrorless cameras, and while other manufacturers managed the issue so there is little current debate on the behavior, the Canon mirrorless seemed to become suddenly vulnerable to the issue which 'disappeared' for a time...and overheat icons appeared and concerned shooters about the cautionary IQ degredation.

In the R5, I fully understand that use of very high end video can press the camera into the overheated status. Yet it was puzzling that in Stills-only mode, it would neverthess overheat, as if on a timer rather than thermometer-driven...until the new firmware update. Now the camera does not overheat in Stills-only mode even after a long period of time...One must put the camera into Video mode now, for the overheat icon to appear at all. We see that a timer is apparently NOT involved in Stills-only usage, to the relief of many stills photographers. The public debate on the issue made Canon 'change things', just as Sony had to 'change things', the debate had a healthy outcome, in both cases.

Live view and mirrorless are the same, so I guess I don't get the differentiation.

What is different with the R5/R6 is the processor that is being used and the amount of processing power/threading it has to do, with the sensor data, and data throughput, coupled with deep learning/eye af.

These are the first 2 cameras to have such level of tech over any previous body, besides the 1DX3. The 1DX3 has more space inside and has more processors dedicated to various other things where that isn't the case with the R5/R6.

This is the root issue of the overheating showing itself to be more of a problem here than on any other body since the 40D. We all asked Canon to step up their game over the R, saying it was an okay first offering, but they had to beat the competition. They really tried here, and succeeded in some aspects. But that comes at a cost.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19120666
IQ is phenomenal really. I can make my 5D4 sing pretty good at high ISO, but this is another level up at this point, probably a stop better. Eye AF is so much better now over what the R (and the M50) had. I did some senior portraits today, and it feels like cheating where I all have to do is worry about composure. The eyes are found EVERY SINGLE time, so I don't worry about that, just composition and timing.

Thanks for sharing and that's great to hear about the IQ and Eye AF! Concentrating on just composition and timing seems like a dream. I've been extremely happy with my Z6 IQ but honestly the R6 and R5 give me pause as the Z autofocus has been disappointing. I told myself not to spend more money this year with COVID uncertainties and whatnot, but your experience makes me nervously look at the shopping cart too much. :sweat smiley emoji:

10-4, I totally missed your text about not receiving your adapter yet!

1 of our 2 best buys had an R6 kit in stock, just 1. I looked at it for a day, hoping it would be picked up by someone. It didn't, so I went after lunch on Friday and picked it up. Even Canon doesn't have these in stock, so I decided this was a sign I was to get the kit, lol.

My brother does video work for his business, and already picked one up a few days back. He loves the 4K capabilities, and hasn't had too many issues, so I decided to follow his lead.