R6 (and maybe R5) overheating issue

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19120669
Live view and mirrorless are the same, so I guess I don't get the differentiation.

What is different with the R5/R6 is the processor that is being used and the amount of processing power/threading it has to do, with the sensor data, and data throughput, coupled with deep learning/eye af.

These are the first 2 cameras to have such level of tech over any previous body, besides the 1DX3. The 1DX3 has more space inside and has more processors dedicated to various other things where that isn't the case with the R5/R6.

This is the root issue of the overheating showing itself to be more of a problem here than on any other body since the 40D. We all asked Canon to step up game over the R, saying it was an okay first offering, but they had to beat the competition. They really tried here, and succeeded in some aspects. But that comes at a cost.

MAC_daddy had set his camera on tripod and tethered it, and put it into Live View...it consistently overheated (Red thermometer, no White thermometer seen at all) on him, even in stills-only mode. This, in spite of others shooting stills-only (and not in Live View) not running into 'overheat'. So it seemed that Live View indeed was 'different' in some manner from EVF Stills-only mode. You had expressed this behavior recently, as well.

The fact that 'constantly energized sensor = Live View = mirrorless is exactly the reason why I raised the question about sensor overheat on many occasions, trying to find out if they figured out a way by bypass the issue, but no responses.

I do not dispute at all anything else you stated.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19120672
1 of our 2 best buys had an R6 kit in stock, just 1. I looked at it for a day, hoping it would be picked up by someone. It didn't, so I went after lunch on Friday and picked it up.

Thanks for the heads up about checking out a local Best Buy! Now you're enticing my impulse purchase itch :horrified emoji:!

That's what I tell the deities when they balk at not putting money into investments! You gave me a sign, (insert deity name of choice)! *Winks*

Honestly I'm hankering for one of these or the R5 just to have the Panasonic-style video IBIS with AF, even with the caveats. The Z6 and Z7 IBIS is like Sony's and has been extremely disappointing for me hand held. I rationalize to myself that this would save me so much weight not having to bring a shoulder rig around!

If you're willing to share it, it would be great to hear about your brother and your experience with R6 video in the future!

I need to work on some custom picture styles because I don't want to work on raw all the time. So this is just one shot from the kit lens today, but I am not happy with the colors and want to work on that yet. I have to go through my retouching yet too.

Anyways, focus on the eyes every single time, which was so relaxing. No more focus/"don't move"/recomposure any longer.

May I ask if the autofocus works like on cinema cameras, where you can use the joystick between different eyes? Will it detect autofocus only in a wide area or also in a smaller autofocus box?

Haven't tried that just yet to see if I can control which face and which eye.

davesrose wrote in post #19120634
All cameras have had clocks for keeping time and timers for setting shutter speeds and self timers. Canon is covering their bases with the disclaimer of IQ degradation as overheating the sensor will do that. The issue that no one disagrees with is if Canon still has to improve their firmware so that situations with stills and 1080p recording does not reach that degredation.

I know timers have always existed in cameras for things like delayed shutter release. and shutter speed, and realtime clocks for date/time. The issue, in the case of the R5/R6 earlier was the speculation by some (it was not a theory I formed) that the temperture warning seemed more to be a countdown timer triggering the appearance of the 'overheated' icon.
Canon has disproved that theory (or corrected it?) in the new firmware installed and tested by MAC_daddy, as 'overheated' no longer appears if one is shooting 'stills only'.

This was my reply:

Wilt wrote in post #19120625
Back within the context of the R5/R6, why does ANY timer need to exist when a camera is not put into Video mode?!
Preliminarily one owner has posted shots in 'cold' status vs. 'overheated' status, and there is very little visible difference, yet Canon tells us there will be IQ degradation with even the white icon warning. Puzzling that the warning is needed, when one test showed it is not.

Now I think there has been unnecessary speculation about how much of recording times is due to timers or by sensed temperatures that are too high. I have noticed there's a lot of arm chair speculation from people who are not a team of software and hardware engineers like a camera brand. You're free to try to bring this up and see if it digresses to a similar manner as posts right after (and will lead to a thread lock). This is where I stop.

davesrose wrote in post #19120694
This was my reply:

Now I think there has been unnecessary speculation about how much of recording times is due to timers or by sensed temperatures that are too high. I have noticed there's a lot of arm chair speculation from people who are not a team of software and hardware engineers like a camera brand. You're free to try to bring this up and see if it digresses to a similar manner as posts right after (and will lead to a thread lock). This is where I stop.

Yeah, a number of the YouTube postings have been questionable in quality or conclusion. That is why I earlier referred to 'speculation'.
Not being a video shooter, I never cared one way or the other about video length limitation imposed. I cared only about impact (if any) on the quality of a still photo. MAC-daddy's testing puts that one to rest sufficiently for me, unless someone else comes up with confiicting outcomes with the new firmware under sound test circumstances.

Wilt wrote in post #19120697
Yeah, a number of the YouTube postings have been questionable in quality or conclusion. That is why I earlier referred to 'speculation'.

Or the different hacks having been tried to clear NVRAM and try to see record times and/or when they get warning lights. I haven't seen anything conclusive about that, and the worst attempt I saw was to pull the main battery when you were still recording video (and using a new memory card after and not sure if your previous corrupted file will even be recoverable).

idkdc wrote in post #19120683
May I ask if the autofocus works like on cinema cameras, where you can use the joystick between different eyes? Will it detect autofocus only in a wide area or also in a smaller autofocus box?

Yes, you can use the joystick to select which eye when eye autofocus is on, or which face when eye autofocus is off.

https://youtu.be/UwMM4​F3jzNY?t=479

Jared5 wrote in post #19120708
Yes, you can use the joystick to select which eye when eye autofocus is on, or which face when eye autofocus is off.

https://youtu.be/UwMM4​F3jzNY?t=479

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Thank you so much, this was super helpful. I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but the manual focus aid with eye auto detection is freaking sweet and seems is an upgrade from my cinema cameras.

I’m still trying to figure out if the auto detect is whole frame or can be tuned down to one area for example in a crowded scene or wide shot to ballpark the area. My Nikon Z cameras can only do the whole frame and I find it quite imprecise for those situations.

Jared5 wrote in post #19120708
Yes, you can use the joystick to select which eye when eye autofocus is on, or which face when eye autofocus is off.

https://youtu.be/UwMM4​F3jzNY?t=479

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This camera is SICK. Holy cow!!!

I’m getting one once the frenzy is over. If that’s November, December or January I don’t really care. My next trip to Africa is scheduled for late August 2021 but I’m skeptical it’ll even happen. Screw you 1) Covid-19 and 2) 2020 in general.

i-G12 wrote in post #19120737
If that’s November, December or January I don’t really care. My next trip to Africa is scheduled for late August 2021 but I’m skeptical it’ll even happen. Screw you 1) Covid-19 and 2) 2020 in general.

I hope the boils don't happen, or that the locusts are coming! We in CA have had record breaking fires to deal with, on top of contagion. And the South has had record force hurricanes. Now we are dealing with incredible heat, to 110 degrees not far from SF Bay.
I already told my wife not to look back, or she'll turn into salt.

idkdc wrote in post #19120723
Thank you so much, this was super helpful. I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but the manual focus aid with eye auto detection is freaking sweet and seems is an upgrade from my cinema cameras.

I’m still trying to figure out if the auto detect is whole frame or can be tuned down to one area for example in a crowded scene or wide shot to ballpark the area. My Nikon Z cameras can only do the whole frame and I find it quite imprecise for those situations.

It will be interesting to see if/how these focusing aids/AF A.I.s might filter to cinema cameras. As we previously talked with regards to gimbals and big cinema brands...they tend to be very legacy with their cinema lenses (and are very conservative about any focusing during hand held shots). Cinema lenses are very different by not having AF motors, and instead utilize external focus pulling and advanced planing with measured distance (for smooth focus that also doesn't hunt). As A.I. and wifi matures, I could see better workflows for a focus system that is timed for nice pulls but also accurate. Watching older movies restored in 4K, I do see shots that aren't tack sharp and are a smidge OOF (more easily picked up with higher resolutions...even noticed with *gasp* Dark Knight). Will be even more significant when we get into 8K workflows.

Wilt wrote in post #19120745
I hope the boils don't happen, or that the locusts are coming! We in CA have had record breaking fires to deal with, on top of contagion. And the South has had record force hurricanes. Now we are dealing with incredible heat, to 110 degrees not far from SF Bay.
I already told my wife not to look back, or she'll turn into salt.

I have a few relatives in the SF area. Have one uncle who's had a long hobby with HAM radios, so is able to use that to volunteer for helping with deployments. The whole country has issues, but thoughts go out for you and folks in CA and folks healing from hurricanes in the Gulf. I'm a Ghostbusters fan...so it's not those signs in which I'll go by: it's with dogs and cats living together in sync