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Aug 11, 2020 02:30 as a reply to  @ post 19106961 |  #181

Thanks for posting flight shots..they are extremely lacking on YouTube and all photo forums..we want real world BIF..which you are kindly giving with pleasure.l.l.p.s like to see what happens with your 1200mm combo.:-)




  
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Aug 11, 2020 04:03 |  #182

Same for me. I am a still photographer and may very occasionally get some video footage, but never more details than 4K at normal speeds (like 30fps). The R5 seems pretty good at that without any limitations. IMHO this is what the body was meant to do. If you are really into HQ video for more than a few minutes (max 10) than use dedicated video camera. These video cameras are also ergonomically laid out for video instead of still. Different requirements for zooming, focussing, audio and the like.
The R5 is a dedicated still camera with reasonable good video capabilities to be used occasionally.


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Aug 11, 2020 04:38 |  #184

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Nope. My use of this camera will be 95% photo. I am getting the R5 to get rid of my Panasonic gear which I only bought for the video back when Canon did not have decent video in the 5D series. So I will sell my 5D3 and GH4+GH5+Panasonic lenses. Then I have 1DX and R5. When I have had the R5 for a few weeks or months I might even sell my 1DX and get an R6.

Sure I will test out 8K (I am not even sure my pc will handle that) and definately 4K120 slowmotion. But my main use will be photos.

One thing I think people forget when recording 8K for hours is how much space is required. 13 minutes 8K is about 128 GB.

One negative thought I had after a post about using 8K video for 33MP JPEG flip-books with "all-I". If you forget to turn video off, or accidentally hit the button twice and restart it, the high bandwidth modes will heat the camera while you think it is in standby. This is not just a waste of card space or battery, but an irreversible heating of the camera. I will have to be vigilant!




  
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Aug 11, 2020 04:51 |  #185

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Same for me. I am a still photographer and may very occasionally get some video footage, but never more details than 4K at normal speeds (like 30fps). The R5 seems pretty good at that without any limitations. IMHO this is what the body was meant to do. If you are really into HQ video for more than a few minutes (max 10) than use dedicated video camera. These video cameras are also ergonomically laid out for video instead of still. Different requirements for zooming, focussing, audio and the like.
The R5 is a dedicated still camera with reasonable good video capabilities to be used occasionally.

Line-skipped 4K should give fair results for long clips, so long as you use a lens and aperture that gives minimal aliasing (this is where lenses that are soft wide open are a plus). It is a lot easier to avoid aliasing from line-skipping at 4K than at 2K.




  
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Aug 11, 2020 06:06 |  #186

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Aug 11, 2020 07:54 |  #187

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One also cannot overlook the possibility that this is a Chinese propaganda hit-piece designed to give Japan trouble by attacking a name brand item. I would rather have a tear-down review done by Lens rentals on this issue before I consider it absolute fact.

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Aug 11, 2020 08:00 |  #188

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Agree, I would like to see Roger at Lens rental do it.

You know what they say read 3 books on the subject than formulate your opinion

I've posted this elsewhere.

I read the EOSHD rant and those 5 pages from the Chinese site. So some guy no one knows is challenging Canon engineers. How do we know that he didn't actually fake the temperature readings at the end? The way I understand it is even before he took it apart he was claiming it wasn't overheating. I'm almost 99% sure I remember out of the hundreds of videos everyone posted there were other independent reviewers that used a thermal device showing it did heat up.

Also when you first read the headlines it sounds like they know it is FW related. They don't know, they are guessing.

People were asking and were concerned how Canon was going to manage the heat issues in such a small body long before the specs came out. Some said they couldn't do it. Did Canon not think that someone would eventually figure this plot out? I'm not supporting Canon. I'm just asking the question.

I'm no expert. Maybe Canon did pull a fast one, or maybe not. I'm just not going to buy into another social media frenzy at this point in time. With the internet has given us unlimited information but it comes with tons of trash.


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Aug 11, 2020 08:12 |  #189

Sometimes, when you are behind the market, and you spec all the parts out individually and build up the system, then actually build some prototypes to get out for testing, the parts don't equal up to the whole.

So during testing, they likely at that point found the heat soak issues and worked on firmware updates to help protect against it, and updated their docs. At the point you get to full integration testing, and you are behind in the market, you cannot go back to the drawing board. You chug ahead and let the marketing department figure out their "spin".

Manufacturing and software isn't this exacting science that you know everything up front, you sometimes have to get to the end, then figure out how many steps backward you are willing to go. Canon wasn't willing, or able, to re-engineer everything accordingly ("we wanted to keep weather sealing and the size the way it was") and had to work with what they ended up with.

Do you really think Canon wants all this publicity? Negative is negative, and they will likely lose many sales over this, I know several have pulled their preorders already.

I feel this is a more likely scenario than Canon actually designing everything exactly as it is to have the issues it has. That would be product suicide if so. I think they didn't know the sum of the parts until they were too far down the manufacturing path. One group does EVF and LCD, one group does the codecs for video, one group does body design, etc and then they all come together with a finished product (prototype) and test it out. Some issues you can fix, some you have to backtrack design, some you code for, and some you use marketing.

In this case, I think they used a mix of things. I suspect they added some thermal pads to the design to help, they added indicators to the software for heat indicators, added documentation to be up front with video limitations, changed firmware to turn off things as heat approaches certain limits, and let marketing market up the video capabilities and they selected folks to demonstrate that for the release announcement.


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Aug 11, 2020 13:52 |  #190

It's a stills camera with limited video capabilities. It might be the best stills camera ever made.

Canon designed it the way they wanted, and its capabilities are described accurately by Canon.

Thousands have preordered, thousands are in the cue, thousands more are waiting to get into the cue. Stores in my area are saying some stock might be available in December.

Looks like one of Canon's best releases so far.


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Aug 11, 2020 13:53 |  #191

Sounds good, that just means there will be inventory in the refurb store come Black Friday... :)

If Canon designed it this way, they shouldn't be putting any efforts in new firmware or hardware for cooling, so they should throw out the patent for the EF cooler and the pending firmware update to change the video capabilities then. ;)

Yet we have news of such a firmware update that will extend the recording time just a bit and to provide a more efficent video raw format that they would employ on their cinema bodies to reduce file sizes and I/O. So either they did design it the way they want, and it missed the mark with the consumers, or they missed something somewhere along the way or had expectations that were askew.

I could design a car with square tires because I think its cool that people bob up and down all over the place when they drive, but that doesn't mean it would be a good product. (but definitely funny to watch!) And I suspect a number of people would order such a vehicle especially if it had all kinds of other perks. I wouldn't be one, I like my brain intact and not scrambled from the ride, lol.


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Aug 11, 2020 14:21 |  #192

"Video capabilities"? No interest in that.

If you want video, get a video camera.


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Aug 11, 2020 15:19 |  #193

The months of delay between deliveries is frustrating. Some first-day preorders got there's immediate. Some first-day preorders maybe in November...?


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Aug 11, 2020 15:24 |  #194

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The months of delay between deliveries is frustrating. Some first-day preorders got there's immediate. Some first-day preorders maybe in November...?

Yep, that is what we are seeing here. I am interested but am averse to the buying frenzy, so will wait.

Funny how photographers out there are flocking to the R5 and R6 whereas a handful in the forums are running in the other direction.


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Aug 11, 2020 15:26 |  #195

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The months of delay between deliveries is frustrating. Some first-day preorders got there's immediate. Some first-day preorders maybe in November...?

No. If you pre-ordered before the June 30 then then next shipments late August, early Sept. Hopefully sooner. If you ordered after it may take a while.


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