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Sep 28, 2020 17:59 |  #1

I doubt I will get used to an electric view of subjects just yet. I cancelled a store pick up for an EOS R. I'm not picking on the model or the manufacturer.
There were a small very few dislikes about its design and very few claimed they got an error. But its just too expensive for me to have any errors period.
Looking into the viewfinder just seems virtual weird and still looks very impressive and maybe good to be true. In my opinion the glow makes it feel fake or different.
Call me old fashioned but TTL body looks or seems more realistic to me. I have no idea or clue. Do the new mirrorless viewfinders emit blue light?
Thanks for the support and information everyone. All very good points being made to help me really think and decide. A very impressive R5 for is just out of my budget right now. $3899 body alone, battery grip $350, lens adapter $200 total $4449
I had considered EOS 5DS 50 MP $3499 body alone. (too close to R5 price my opinion)
The 5D IV 30MP $2499 body alone seems just right for features and performance.
Reflecting back 36 years using TTL has done nothing to my vision that I am aware of. Any vision correction needed is probably age and computer related. :lol:




  
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Sep 28, 2020 18:12 |  #2

A direct optical view (with only the focus screen affecting the optical quality) is a whole lot different that viewing a 45MPixel sensor's view with a relatively lower resolution 5.76-million dot OLED EVF.

Although neither Olympus nor Panasonic played up their 4/3 cameras as 'mirrorless', in reality they predated Sony's marketing differentiation efforts in the use of the EVF. Some years ago, I handled an Olympus 4/3 format camera in a store. The most striking thing to me was the 'shimmer' of some of the detail seen thru its EVF. I have yet to go back into a store to see if the R5 (or other camera more recent than my experience with Olympus) suffer from the same 'shimmer'

Here are some issues to consider:

  • How much do we NOT see thru the EVF, when the EVF has 1/3 the resolution (in a single direction) than the sensor (1/9th the resolution by area)?!
  • And as a wedding photographer trying to shoot on the dim dance floors of today's wedding reception, are we not losing our night vision in one eye every time we look thru the viewfinder with the scene portrayed as bright as it will be captured by the high ISO sensor setting?!
  • And if the view in the EVF is delayed to the eye by 1/120 of a second EVF refresh rate, are we truly tracking a very fast moving object, or actually tracking 1/120 sec. behind its real position?!

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Sep 28, 2020 18:20 |  #3

Let me guess, you also probably ink-hand-write letters to pen pals all over the world via postal service..... oh wait.... internet forum. My mistake.

 :p

Joking aside. Whatever floats your boat. There's no right or wrong here. Choose the instrument that you prefer. If you feel that the through-the-lens optical view finder is the best way for you to experience photography, then great. And yes, EVF and LCD all emit blue wavelength light, it's how you see the blue color in the WYSIWYG view they provide. Just like how an OVF let's blue light naturally through the lens, through the pentatprism and into your eye too (actually your OVF will let UV and IR into your eyeballs unless you have specific coatings on your glass and/or filters to block these wavelengths; this doesn't happen with EVF/LCD, they do not emit dangerous wavelengths).

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Sep 28, 2020 18:28 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #4

My loss of night vision comment had nothing to do with blue light...it is that an OVF gives you inherent scene brightiness (dark) while the EVF brightens up the presented scene to mimic actual exposure...causing the pupil to close down, with loss of night vision.

It has nothing to do with adoption of technology. It has everything to do with understanding what LOSSES occur when technology is adopted. Same kind of issue existed when the 44kHz sampled music CD got replaced in function (but not in music fidelity) by 128kbit/s MP3. Better portability, loss of fidelity.

I am not a luddite, I was one of the first owners of personal computing predating the IBM PC. I had 3D music systems when they came out 25 years before Dolby Surrond existed. I had state of art home theather when it was adopted. I had a 1MP digital camera before 4MPxiel digital camera before I owned a 8MP dSLR. I have been on the bleeding edge of a lot of technolgy. I understood their weaknesses so I could find alternative stuff to use when needed.


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Sep 28, 2020 18:32 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #5

:lol: Reflecting back 36 years using TTL has done nothing to my vision that I am aware of. Any vision correction needed is probably age and computer related.
Thanks for the support and information everyone. All very good points being made to help me really think and decide. A very impressive R5 for is just out of my budget right now. $3899 body alone, battery grip $350, lens adapter $200 total $4449
Update: I had considered EOS 5DS 50 MP $3499 body alone. (too close to R5 price my opinion)
The 5D IV 30MP $2499 body alone is fine for me considering its ratings, features and performance.




  
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Sep 28, 2020 18:54 as a reply to  @ vision35's post |  #6

About the perception of blue light...consider the fact that you set WB on the camera to record the scene in a manner which renders colors 'neutral' Indoors with lightbulbs, the camera might set itself (AWB) for 2900k lighting, but it records the scene and presents it in the EVF for 'neutral'...or about 5200-5500k. So in the lighting of the environment, what comes out of the EVF can be indeed 'cooler' ('bluer') than the ambient light.


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