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Oct 30, 2020 00:35 |  #1

I know this is hearsay to say.... but really, I could truly care less about how sharp you photo is. I wish I could verbally explode over every post I see that begs if their shot is sharp enough. In my book, that is the least of anyones issues. Its like photography has become some form of competition to see who's got the best gear. Its been said a million times, the least contributor to a great image is great gear.

And I don't mean to be rude or pompous here.... because I will freely admit my stuff has a really long way to go. But there are so many areas I can improve in that make my images more compelling.... first and foremost, subject. Is the photo even interesting? Does it tell a story, or communicate an emotion. Then there is composition. After that, exposure. And last on only then is how sharp is the image.

Typical issue... a person asks if their image is sharp, and yet the subject, someone interesting melts into background providing no separation. A huge contributor to sharpness isn't just the glass you shoot with, but does your composition creat the most contrast between it and the background. Contrast and composition equally contribute to the perceived sharpness.

And then there are the cases where sharpness isn't all that desirable. Taking a super sharp image of a bride where you can count each eyelash is pointless if you have to use an army of tools to smooth out her skin again. Having each pore in super sharp focus isn't always a good thing, especially if you have then smooth out the heck of your over sharp image.

Anyways, I get there are many reasons take up the craft. For some it is to prove great technical skills. I like to pretend I am a story teller more so. And I really wish we talked and shared more about that. You can spend thousands of dollars on gear to have the sharpest images. But alas, if they aren't interesting.... money would be far better spend seeing things and capturing compelling content. Even if it is your car, your dog, or a favorite place. Just my two cents.




  
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Oct 30, 2020 01:27 |  #2

There's nothing better than a great shot focused on the bride who has a longing smile towards the groom as they dance, and later you find she is slightly OOF, due to poor equipment or poor settings. But hey the content is all that matters!

In all seriousness, maybe people ask those questions to learn their gear and techniques, and expect those that know so much more to help teach them? Maybe it's not bragging about the best gear at all and it's more about trying to learn what makes up a focused AND detailed image.

Maybe the lens is bad, or a bad quality filter, or the wrong shutter speed, and they don't know which, or they are asking really if anyone sees something wrong where they do not. That is how I interpret those kinds of posts, but I may very well be wrong.


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Oct 30, 2020 09:23 |  #3

Some people may want to know or see sharpness when shopping for a lens or filter.
Sharpness may be important for a few who print posters of models for shopping mall stores.
Just my opinion.
High enough megapixel combined with lens quality should produce good enough results.




  
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Oct 31, 2020 17:00 |  #4

Title fairy............... might have a point.


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Oct 31, 2020 20:43 as a reply to  @ vision35's post |  #5

Lots of really good reasons to have sharp images. Not knocking that at all. But what I am ... disconnected from ... is the obsession on sharpness. It seems over capturing images that have a good narrative to them, sharpness is paramount. In massively huge shot of mount rainier... sure. Why not. But a shot fog line around its base... or clouds skimming its peak, much more dramatic, and not nearly as sharp. Back in the day we would gasoline our lenses to soften them, to add drama.

I've seen super sharp shots here of a wedding party, with parked cars in the background. No amount of sharpness is going to save that. Then there are still motionless images too...that don't tell stories of the event. Sharpness is an awesome thing... if it help add to the narrative. But sharpness and no narrative... meh.

But that is absolutely ok. Most here are shooting for themselves, and what ever makes them happy.

Her is an example.

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An oldie... but terribly unsharp, but undeniably conveys a story. To me... that the utopia I look for... Again, my take... not right nor wrong... just how I see things. Like its not wrong to have your goal be technical perfection.




  
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Nov 01, 2020 14:52 |  #6

Well, as Henri Cartier-Bresson said, “Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.”

Of course, you have to define what is meant by “sharpness”, which although objectively measurable, is not so delineable on a subjective level. Are we referring to the difference between an expensive lens and cheap lens, both properly focused and such? Or are we referring to out-of-focus or motion blur, intentional or not? Does sharpness in the corners really matter or not? What about wide open or stopped-down?

What’s interesting is that a post like this a decade back would probably have already generated 100 responses, give or take 50. The point being that the fixation on technical image quality, while still present with camera reviews and perhaps critique, has appeared to have subsided, though I admit this observation is largely anecdotal.

Still, I do think that the mid- to late-2000s surge of DSLRs and use of software, which gave everyone the gift of 100 percent crop view, fueled excessively fastidious expectations. Plus, this site was geared to Canon users back then, and “L lens” braggadocio was all the rage. So at that time, sharpness was one of the It Girls of photography (along with RAW and Full Frame). And let’s face it, as a measure of quality, sharpness is relatively easy to attain if you have the money. Whereas the compelling use of composition, lights, lines, geometry, movement, color, tension, contrast, and so on often prove a bit more elusive.

So to Croasdail’s point, which is largely to Cartier-Bresson’s point, sharpness plays a role, but it is not always a definitive one, and certainly other elements of a photograph can take aesthetic precedence. As Croasdail noted, certain subject matters may actually benefit from a lack of tack sharpness and all engrossing resolution, which is NOT to say out-of-focus. After all, I heard rumors of portrait photographers in the 1970s-80s buying deliberately soft lenses since the need to reveal every pore was not always desirable. Urban legend? Some veterans may confirm.

I’m not even go to delve into the use of blurry or soft images for artistic purposes, only to say that photography certainly allows for such methodology. Instead, the broader issue centers on sufficiency; what gets by (Credit photography blogger Mike Johnston for this point). And in certain genres, particularly street photography and photojournalism, sharpness is not a primary concern as long as the subject matter is still digestibly in focus. And what is digestible will depend on the viewer.

Look at Dorothea Lange’s famous “Migrant Mother” photograph. The camera is focused on the blouse, not the face. Would the photo have benefited from proper focus? No, not for me, and in terms of the photo’s universal distinction, it’s a moot question. And then there’s Robert Frank’s highly influential “The Americans”, which at the time of its release, drew considerable criticism for its assault against technical perfection. The book remains my favorite photographic collection/essay.

But even if perfection is your thing, over the past decade, technology in digital camera/software has narrowed the gap between entry level and high end. Smart phones take sharp photos, or at least, sufficiently sharp for the majority of humans. Step up to an entry level DSLR with a kit lens, and you’re still, in this day and age, getting a remarkably high-quality product in regards to technical image quality.

Again, much of this is subjective, and undoubtedly, intent will player a major role. If your photography uses detail, texture, and resolution as an aesthetic element or if you print large (for a demanding client with eagle eyes nevertheless), then the more expensive setup is likely obligatory. On the other hand, if you want to use a pinhole camera for the rest of your life, that’s certainly your prerogative as well. That is, technical image quality operates within a broad spectrum in relation to its actual visual significance.

My ‘newest’ lens that I’ve used for the past six years is from 1958, the oldest from 1934. The 1934 lens is a bit soft even for me when opened up to f/2 but is sufficiently sharp stopped down. And even at f/2, it is still useable. Back when I used a DSLR, I had a Canon “nifty-fifty”, and that was certainly sharp enough for me. Notice how I’m saying “for me”. Sufficiency; determine yours and possibly save money…or not. As I ultimately say, buy and use whatever you want or need. But buying up will not automatically buy talent.


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Nov 01, 2020 19:08 |  #7

Some people may actually need the extra sharpness combined with a high megapixel camera body.
Other people probably have a bad case of GAS or Gear Acquisition Syndrome.




  
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Nov 01, 2020 21:29 |  #8

Too long post over sharp pictures. :) I like to open picture 1:1 and see all of details.
But sharpness is not always needed.

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Nov 01, 2020 22:11 |  #9

Two things, sharpness, or the posts where someone asks about their sharpness, tend to reside in the gear forums, where gear is discussed. That's sort of the whole point of gear forums. Things like composition, whether an image is compelling or not, tell a story, or communicate an emotion are more for the photo sharing forums. It always surprises me when people join in a discussion in a gear forum only to lament how everyone is talking about gear.

Second, sharpness is something that can be changes in post but only in one direction. It's rather ease to soften an image if the composition calls for it but nearly impossible to add detail making an image sharper, thus all the question in gear forums I think.


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Nov 01, 2020 22:22 |  #10

But, all those shots of random junk laying around people's house to show first light with their new really sharp lenses are super popular!

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Nov 01, 2020 23:13 |  #11

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Too long post over sharp pictures. :) I like to open picture 1:1 and see all of details.
But sharpness is not always needed.

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I like your picture but not your comment that the post over sharp pictures is too long (unless I misunderstood it). Such semi-philosophical discussions are those I find most interesting on this forum and I wish there were more.


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Nov 01, 2020 23:35 |  #12

Reasonable or acceptable sharpness
without going bankrupt should be fine for most people.
A rather expensive lens should be sharp and perform well.
Otherwise its cash in the trash.
The free trial for photo software claiming to sharpen or correct focus was a joke.




  
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Nov 02, 2020 11:24 as a reply to  @ vision35's post |  #13

I haven’t yet figured out what story a photo should tell. How can someone tell if the photo is telling a story? How can someone say one photo is telling a story and the other photo is just a snapshot? Are there some rules or is this just a hunch or sixth sense?
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How about this photo; what story tells us …. Some grass and water? A story about water and grass under the sky?
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Nov 02, 2020 11:35 |  #14

A photo (image) is just a photo. By itself it is incapable of doing anything. I believe that a photo that tells a story is an illusion that only exists between the viewers ears. It is impossible to create a photo that tells the same story to everyone. Each viewer will make up their own story based on their experiences, perceptions, and imagination.


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Nov 02, 2020 11:42 |  #15

Without context, an image is just an image, and each person has to full in the gaps for themselves when they view it.

Sometimes images are just test images to help a person dial in their gear and techniques and tools, and they aren't serving the purpose of telling a story at all.


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