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Dec 02, 2020 11:17 |  #1

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RF 70-200mm f/4L (to debut any day) vs. RF 70-200mm f/2.8L
RF 24-105mm f/4L vs. RF 24-70mm f/2.8L

If cost AND weight are not a factor, it's no brainer except for a bit of reach issue with the latter. However, cost AND weight are significantly different. Cost, I can manage better, but weight is more important as my aging (and aching) body requires lighter carry load. Here are the cost and weight differences:

RF 70-200mm f/4L = 1.5 lbs and $1,599
RF 70-200mm f/2.8L = 2.35 lbs and $2,699

RF 24-105mm f/4L = 1.54 lbs and $1,099
RF 24-70mm f/2.8L = 2.7 lbs and $2,299

On my R5, the first group gives me up to 7.5 stops of image stabilization. For the latter group, up to 8 stops of image stabilization. What this means is that IS pretty much eliminates low light shooting concerns and that leaves the advantage of f/2.8 to better bokeh.

Of course, in spite of 7.5 or 8 stops of IS that the R5/lens combo gives, f/2.8 definitely has the advantage both in low light shooting and bokeh. The question is whether what advantages there are, are worth the significant cost and weight differences. Such question was simpler to answer in the EF days. You need to shoot indoors and in low light venues, you cough up the money, hardly a need to question. With the RF future, however..... What are your take? Given the IS stops you can get using these lenses with the R5 (or R6), would you still cough up the extra $1K+ for the f/2.8 version? One thing for sure, the R5 (R6) and RF f/4 lenses are as perfect as one can have for travel photography.



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Dec 05, 2020 21:20 |  #2

14-35L f4 is the one I want and I've never had any use for an f2.8, 70-200L -- well I have but not enough to pay the premium and to lug the bigger lens arund :-)


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Dec 06, 2020 08:14 |  #3

My go to travel kit is my EF 16-35 f/4 L IS, 24-70 f/4 L IS and new 70-200 f/4 L IS Mark II. Smaller and lighter and for that type of shooting. When I used to take the 70-200 f/2.8 L IS Mark II, I would check to see how much I really shoot at f/2.8....... not much.
I am a big fan of the smaller lighter f/4 “Greek Trilogy”
Even here at home, I carry the f/4 unless I know I need f/2.8.
Without holding each lens and more importantly mounted on a gripped R5, it is St. Nicholas Day....
I would certainly have no qualms about seriously considering the f/4 route.


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Dec 06, 2020 08:32 |  #4

I decided to order the RF 24-105 f/4 (arriving today) and pre-ordered the RF 70-200 f/4. These two combined cost less (by a penny) than one RF 70-200 f/2.8.

When I was much younger, I used to travel with 24-70 f/2.8L brick. In my recent travels, it was replaced by 16-35 f/4L, much lighter. Though I hardly ever missed the f/2.8, I did miss, for both the 24-70 and more so with the 16-35, a bit of reach, so I'm really looking forward to traveling with the RF 24-105 f/4. My current EF 70-200 f/2.8L will be sold and replaced by the RF f/4L version. I find it's much lighter and smaller version very appealing. It might also be used as a travel lens depending on the destination.



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Dec 06, 2020 08:36 as a reply to  @ SYS's post |  #5

I don’t think there is an RF 15-35 F/4 L IS on the market as of yet, correct me if I am wrong.
If and when available you may pay about the same for 3 RF f/4 L IS Lenses compared to the two RF f/2.8 L IS you listed above.


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Dec 06, 2020 08:48 |  #6

Nick5 wrote in post #19162517 (external link)
I don’t think there is an RF 15-35 F/4 L IS on the market as of yet, correct me if I am wrong.
If and when available you may pay about the same for 3 RF f/4 L IS Lenses compared to the two RF f/2.8 L IS you listed above.

No RF 15-35. Instead, we should be seeing RF 10-24mm f/4L and RF 14-35mm f/4L in 2021. Of the two, I'd be interested in looking at 10-24 since my current EF 16-35 f/4 works quite well with the adapter but not wide enough.



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Dec 06, 2020 22:17 |  #7

Received the RF 24-105 f/4L today....

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Dec 06, 2020 23:19 |  #8

A few years ago, I always insisted on the f/2.8 zooms.

After several years working with the 5D4, that has changed somewhat. And of course now we are happily shooting f/6.3 lenses at the long end of zooms, and even f/11 primes! What a world.

So for most of us, the only remaining strong argument for f/2.8 zooms is shooting at f/2.8 for the DOF. For that one could always throw on an affordable faster prime.


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Dec 06, 2020 23:30 |  #9

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19162905 (external link)
A few years ago, I always insisted on the f/2.8 zooms.

So for most of us, the only remaining strong argument for f/2.8 zooms is shooting at f/2.8 for the DOF. For that one could always throw on an affordable faster prime.

Same here, I also always insisted on the f/2.8 zooms. Not any more. I'm loving this new lens, a perfect travel lens.



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Nick5 wrote in post #19162517 (external link)
I don’t think there is an RF 15-35 F/4 L IS on the market as of yet, correct me if I am wrong.
If and when available you may pay about the same for 3 RF f/4 L IS Lenses compared to the two RF f/2.8 L IS you listed above.

14-35 is coming next year. much prefer 14 to 15 and i'll only have to carry my 14 f1.8 when i'm shooting astro


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CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19162905 (external link)
A few years ago, I always insisted on the f/2.8 zooms.

After several years working with the 5D4, that has changed somewhat. And of course now we are happily shooting f/6.3 lenses at the long end of zooms, and even f/11 primes! What a world.

So for most of us, the only remaining strong argument for f/2.8 zooms is shooting at f/2.8 for the DOF. For that one could always throw on an affordable faster prime.

I have f2.8 on my 24-70 when I need it. I primarily shoot landscapes and hardly ever need a fast lens


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Dec 07, 2020 09:25 |  #12

SYS wrote in post #19162907 (external link)
Same here, I also always insisted on the f/2.8 zooms. Not any more. I'm loving this new lens, a perfect travel lens.

the 24-105 has been around a long time


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ed rader wrote in post #19163117 (external link)
the 24-105 has been around a long time

I know. In the past before the IS and IBIS advances, f/4 lenses weren't in my radar. Now, it's a different ball game.



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I know. In the past before the IS and IBIS advances, f/4 lenses weren't in my radar. Now, it's a different ball game.

the lens has always been stabilized. maybe you have changed?


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Dec 09, 2020 20:22 |  #15

ed rader wrote in post #19164499 (external link)
the lens has always been stabilized. maybe you have changed?

I don't know when the EF 24-105 f/4 came around, but I don't remember seeing IS lenses when I purchased the original 24-70 f/2.8L, 70-200 f/2.8L and 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L. Was there non-IS EF 24-105 f/4 or did it debut with the IS?



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