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Feb 04, 2021 14:46 |  #1

Does anyone know of a list of known good chargers that can charge batteries in body via USB C?

I was disappointed to find that the main USB C charger (Macbook Pro 96W) I carry around doesn't work.

From what I have found in my reading the charger needs to support PD (power delivery), I am unsure what Apple does with theirs.

If such a list doesn't work, then maybe we should create one?

USB C charging would be particularly handy for me when travelling, as in theory that's one less charger I need to carry.


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Feb 04, 2021 15:28 |  #2

The issue may simply be that the USB port in your camera is meant to be a DATA port, and is not connected to the battery for charging purposes.


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Feb 04, 2021 15:34 |  #3

From the R6 manual (I assume same for R5, not sure what other bodies though), and yes the batteries are the newer LP-E6NH type, although I have read it will charge others as well:

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Feb 04, 2021 16:10 |  #4

My Lenovo 45W charger for a Yoga 2-in-1 laptop works.


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Feb 05, 2021 09:15 |  #5

There is a significant difference between USB-C (what the mac uses) and USB-PD which the camera needs. I actually think that this is what the “PD” means in the Canon device model number. PD can deliver much higher voltages to the device. If a charger supports PD then usually a port on the charger will be labeled “PD.”

A good explanation of both can be found at https://community.cypr​ess.com …-PD-KBA204033/ta-p/249584 (external link)

If you get looking for a 3rd party charger, I recommend the Anker brand but several good quality brands exist.




  
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Feb 05, 2021 09:37 |  #6

These are what I use for travel and home office use. These are PD chargers and will charge in-camera as well as in-grip batteries:

90W:

https://www.amazon.com …sc=1&ref_=lv_ov​_lig_dp_it (external link)

If you like it even smaller:

65W

https://www.amazon.com …aN+PD%2Caps%2C1​99&sr=8-28 (external link)

For situations where no wall outlets are available: These will charge both in-camera and in-grip batteries while the camera power is off; these will operate the camera while the power is on but cannot charge and operate at the same time. While operating, the camera will draw power from the power bank and not from the internal batteries:

90W 30000mAh:

https://www.amazon.com …sc=1&ref_=lv_ov​_lig_dp_it (external link)

60W 20000mAh:

https://www.amazon.com …sc=1&ref_=lv_ov​_lig_dp_it (external link)

I trust both RavPower and Anker equally as my go to brands.

N.B.: whichever brand you choose for a PD power bank, the minimum wattage requirement for operating the camera is 30W. An 18W power bank can only charge, not operate.



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Feb 05, 2021 10:03 |  #7

It seems the list would get very long very fast as this new tech becomes more common.
IMHO rather than compiling a list, it makes sense to simply look for a PD compliant power supply.

I made the mistake early of assuming that my "fast charger" for my phone was the same as PD. It is not, and thus I too needed to buy one. Once you know the term PD, your all set. :) Basically the chances of anything you already have being PD are slim, as it really is a new thing. Even many new devices that are PD compliant like phones usually ship with slower non PD compliant chargers, leaving it up to you to get a matching charger for the fastest charge. So the R5/6 are not alone in not being supplied with such a charger.

Here's one outlets list of current "best" PD chargers if that helps;
https://www.cnet.com …b-c-pd-chargers-for-2021/ (external link)


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Feb 05, 2021 10:24 |  #8

You'll also notice that not all "PD" are the same. The latest "PD" technology offered is "PD 3" (all of my linked products above are "PD 3.") So, what's the difference? In a nutshell:

"The difference between the two types of PD charging lies in the amount of detailed information given by each. USB PD 3.0 has worked to improve its power delivery but is primarily known for offering increased amounts of information about the device being charged and its power/ battery. This includes reporting any malfunction or system change within the device, temperature of the device, or what may be causing hold ups or decreased charging speed, etc. For example, if an over-current or over-voltage occurs while charging, your device will notify you with a data message of the mishap."

For more detail info on this:

https://satechi.net …-usb-pd-2-0-vs-usb-pd-3-0 (external link)

You'll also notice the term "GaN" technology in my linked products. In a nutshell:

"GaN chargers are physically smaller than current chargers. This is because gallium nitride chargers don’t require as many components as silicon chargers. The material is able to conduct far higher voltages over time than silicon.

GaN chargers are not only more efficient at transferring current, but this also means less energy is lost to heat. So, more energy goes to whatever you’re trying to charge. When components are more efficient at passing energy to your devices, you generally require less of them."

More detail:

https://www.howtogeek.​com …nd-why-will-you-want-one/ (external link)

Both these latest technology offer a big advantage for us photographers using these devices to power our cameras, and why I now (almost) exclusively use them.



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Feb 05, 2021 11:44 |  #9

USB-PD is quite complex in its capabilities which can be designated USB-PD1, PD2 or PD3. PD1 dates to about 2012. For a good discussion of PD2 vs. PD3 see https://satechi.net …-usb-pd-2-0-vs-usb-pd-3-0 (external link). Satechi also makes some good chargers.

Power Delivery starts at the 5V setting and is configurable up to 20V. Using a standard USB-C cable, it can handle up to 60W, and will go up to 100W using a designated EMCA cable.

In theory, and I know some people who have done this, the Power Delivery specification allows for power to flow both ways, with no set direction based on circuit or connection. If you were to connect two phones that support Power Delivery with a USB-C charging cable, one phone could charge the other and vice versa. I'm not sure if I'm ready to connect my camera to my phone for the sake of a quick charge!




  
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