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Jeff ­ USN ­ Photog ­ 72-76
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Feb 21, 2021 09:07 |  #1

Welcome to the world of REMOTE IMAGING! I decided to start a thread dedicated to the world of remote imaging observing using subscription scopes. Remote scope users are often looked down on by purists but they shouldn’t be. There are many reasons that people use subscription scopes. Some are health challenged or have city skies and cannot travel, like myself. Others because they want to image in the southern hemisphere but will never get there. What is your reason?
The variety of subscription observatories that are popping up is as diverse as the restaurants in a town, from fast food to fancy restaurants and their prices plans and costs are as diverse.
I investigated many remote observatories and tried several before settling on the SLOOH remote observatories with setups in the Canary Islands and Chile. I have been using them for about 3 years now and have gotten hundreds of hours of images. One thing that is unique about SLOOH is that you can watch your imaging run is real time, you get to watch the image develop on your screen as the scope gathers more light.
I am also experimenting with the Insight Observatory remote scopes. www.insightobservatory​.com (external link)

I will be posting thoughts and images from my sessions with the remote scopes and welcome others to do the same and will try to answer any questions that come up.


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Feb 21, 2021 09:08 |  #2

I enjoy using remote subscription imaging especially living in a Bortle 8 zone, which I why I do mostly solar. Also I have health issues and like my sleep. You get to use very nice scopes from dark sky sites.

Here is my impression on remote imaging. As I say I use it almost daily and check their solar scope daily

The downside? It can get expensive.

Some sites allow more control than others, for example iTelescope from what I have found has the most control over scope and camera and what filters are used. Slooh has "total" control of the scope but limited control of the camera and filters. Roboscope and Insight you request a target and they determine the best time to image it, Roboscope does give total control over exposure and filters as well as darks.

Slooh costs me $300 a year, that is for unlimited imaging runs up to 50 minutes at a time as well as up to 50 minutes of piggybacking on someone else's "mission" (imaging run). Each run is 5 minutes, except on the 20 inch which are 10 minute runs. you can schedule 5 at a time, either in a row or scattered through that night or the next 7 days so if you want a specific object and want to do a 50 minute imaging run you schedule 5 missions on the 20" in a row, to guarantee the time you often have to schedule for the next evening. once you schedule your 5 missions you cannot do another one until the first finishes but as soon as it runs you can schedule another.

Other remote scopes I have used are

Roboscopes - anywhere from $18-$30 an hour - I spent $18 there you only get fits

Insight Observatory - anywhere from $15 to $25 for 20 MINUTES, that is $45 to $75 an hour! I spent $15 there, the give a JPG, TIF and fits files, they are well processed and for that price they should be.

Both Roboscopes and Insight don't allow you to schedule the scope or control it or watch it in real time you have to submit your request and then up to 30 days later you get the results.

My take away is that the images might be nice BUT I am not controlling the scope or the time of capture or dealing with the weather and satellites, I simply choose a target and in 1 to 4 weeks I get the images. I might as well download them from the Hubble or the net.

With Slooh the only thing I don't do is set up the scope. I have to decide on the target or the coordinates, then I have to determine when the object will be visible from the observatory - trying to get it just before or just after the meridian, then have to look at the weather, the wind clouds dust humidity and moon light. can even use Stellarium to determine when satellites might be passing through the field of view. Then decide what filters to use, either LRGB or just L, and then the time of the exposures from 5 minutes to 50 minutes. Finally the image is taken in real time, I can watch the image as it develops on the screen, can even see if it gets a plane or satellite or what is aggravating wind blown stars. Then I am given the raw fits images for my to work.

Slooh does provide a PNG image to give a rough idea and I do mean rough, of what you captured but it is not a great an image. It isn't a finished image

at a guess I have done at least 400 hours of imaging in the last year using SLOOH


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Feb 21, 2021 09:08 |  #3

I have more Astro gear (as well as 5 Canon EOS DSLRS 5D, 5D4,6D2,7D2 and 90D and 20 lenses up to 150-600) than I need. from my 80mm Stellarvue APO to my 8" Edge as well as access to the Seagrave Observatory ( I have the keys) in Rhode Island where we have a 12" and 16" Meade classics LX200's but as a stroke survivor I like my sleep and hate the cold (it is warmer today 17 degrees wakeup temp).

I agree 100% with people using remote imaging, it is not cheating. My scope is setup on a patio with a Telegizmos cover on it, people who like you roll your scope out or my who keep it setup on a tripod should look on friends with observatories as cheating since they don't have to setup and align each session. Especially those who open up and then run the scope from their PC inside the house!
I have started trying the Insight Observatory, no subscription charged by the minute ($40 to $60 an hour) and 6 large scopes (NM, Nambia, Chile) they are relatively new and based here on Cape Cod and respond to PMs on FB fast) I will continue to try them
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I really enjoy SLOOH, they have 9 scopes (3 in Chile) they have many of the same cameras as other remote scopes but are truly remote no one at the sites. They sometimes have issues with dead pixels etc. but they resolve issues when the can. The impression I get is that it takes more work to get a super image from SLOOH than from the other remote observatories, but I like that challenge. The BIG thing about SLOOH is that you can schedule your imaging run (they call them missions) and then you can watch it in real time as the scope captures the image and see if there is wind movement or clouds or a satellite, you can't do that with the other scopes. Recently they have opened to the educational world so reserving scope time the same evening is sometimes tough but if all the time slots to control the scope are full I just reserve the next day, you can reserve up to 7 days ahead. The next day you get your fits files that are calibrated and ready for processing.

The big thing is that their ASTRONOMER level is $300 a year for unlimited scope time. I estimate I scheduled 400 hours of missions last year, that is 75 cents per hour!


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Feb 21, 2021 09:10 |  #4

Messier 101 spiral galaxy 21 million light years away in the constellation Ursa Major. I took this using the SLOOH remote observatory by controlling the telescope over the internet over the course of 2 years. Processed in Astro Pixel Processor and Lightroom.
95 subs, 36 Lums @ 50 sec, 20 R 21 G 18 B all at 25 sec. Spring 2019 Spring 2020 and this Feb.

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Feb 21, 2021 09:46 |  #5

The Gabriela Mistral Nebula - Southern Hemisphere, imaged using the SLOOH 17" Planewave at the Chile Observatory
24 subs LRGB processed in APP and LR/PS

NGC 3324 is an open cluster in the southern constellation Carina, located northwest of the Carina Nebula (NGC 3372) at a distance of 7,560 ly (2,317 pc) from Earth. It is closely associated with the emission nebula IC 2599, also known as Gum 31. The two are often confused as a single object, and together have been nicknamed the "Gabriela Mistral Nebula" due to its resemblance to the Chilean poet. NGC 3324 was first catalogued by James Dunlop in 1826

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Feb 21, 2021 14:13 |  #6

Messier 100 and 5 other galaxies. there are at least 3 unlabeled galaxies as well.
Imaged with the ATEO-1 16" f/3.5 astrograph at the Insight Observatory New Mexico. 20 minute LRGB exposure

Messier 100 (also known as NGC 4321) is a grand design intermediate spiral galaxy in the southern part of the mildly northern Coma Berenices. It is one of the brightest and largest galaxies in the Virgo Cluster and is approximately 55 million light-years from our galaxy

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Feb 22, 2021 14:40 as a reply to  @ Jeff USN Photog 72-76's post |  #7

Thank you for providing all this information & your experiences using the different scopes.
I always wondered about remote scopes, booking time with them & their costs.
Nice pictures too!

Cheers,
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