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Mar 29, 2021 08:02 |  #1

How should I lubricate lubricate this older tripod head? Its not moving very well or quick when the knobs are adjusted.

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Mar 29, 2021 11:06 |  #2

This is a good video about disassemply and cleaning a Manfrotto tilt-pan lead. https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=ll9L-z78Ok0 (external link)
But IGNORE the use of any grease!
WD40 is a reasonable 'solvent' to get gunk off, it is not a lubricant.

Few, if any, manufacturers suggest the use of lubrication, in part because locking surfaces may not lock as well, and because grease will collect dust.


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Mar 29, 2021 11:27 |  #3

Wilt wrote in post #19215436 (external link)
This is a good video about disassemply and cleaning a Manfrotto tilt-pan lead.
But IGNORE the use of any grease!
WD40 is a reasonable 'solvent' to get gunk off, it is not a lubricant.

Few, if any, manufacturers suggest the use of lubrication, in part because locking surfaces may not lock as well, and because grease will collect dust.

No link to a video :)

Agree with the no grease. Teflon or graphite is likely best, but i don't know on this head in particular.


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Mar 29, 2021 11:30 |  #4

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19215443 (external link)
No link to a video :)


Boy, are you getting picky, Jake! :lol: Fixed the problem in original post.

Graphite can be dirty. Dry silicon spray (not in a liquid solvent) or Teflon would be my choices, if cleaing with a solvent did not restore smooth function adequately


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Mar 29, 2021 12:22 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #5

Wow. I called the company and they had no idea of what lubricant was used. A u-tube viewer posted this about white lithium. Not correct grease. Will not hold up to resistance especially when hot weather hits. You must use a sticky silicone grease temperature stable high heat type.
I was thinking about a Manfrotto 410 or 405 there are a few complaints or comments about springs or something acting up and needing to be replaced over time. That however would be a lot of extra weight to hike with.




  
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Mar 29, 2021 12:25 |  #6

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Wow. I called the company and they had no idea of what lubricant was used.
I was thinking about a Manfrotto 410 or 405 there are a few complaints or comments about springs or something acting up and needing to be replaced over time. That however would be a lot of extra weight to hike with.

I believe that the issue is that way back in the Dark Ages, Manfrotto did assemble heads with lubricants. But then they saw the light and discontinued the practice, and none of the old timers work there any longer (having retired) and the new kids have no idea of what was done in the past.


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Mar 29, 2021 19:56 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #7

I might try an anti friction additive like motor kote.
https://youtu.be/IrFl7​ZlMklM (external link)
A live in person years ago demo showed applying the motor kote. Then sanding and wiping the metal parts dry. The spinning metal part did not friction weld to the other after treatment.
I suspect this might be too slippery and prevent the tripod head from securing positions all together.




  
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I might try an anti friction additive like motor kote.
The demo showed applying the additive. Then wiping the metal parts dry. The spinning metal part did not friction weld to the other after treatment.
I suspect this might be too slippery and prevent the tripod head from securing positions all together.

I suggest disassembly and cleaning, and then reassembly with no friction reducing stuff, and then try out the reassembled head with zero anti-friction, before resorting to wiping any surfaces with anything (other than cleaner)


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Mar 29, 2021 23:14 |  #9

I just did a bit more historical digging, and found others who commented that their Manfrotto head indeed came with some sort of grease as assembled at the factory.
Apparently at some point Manfrotto changed over to polymer rings, which coincides with the 'grease free' description of their head.

I did a bit more searching via Google of 'Manfrotto grease' and indeed found a couple of places that referenced Manfrotto part numbers for grease in a capped cup, but unfortunately found zero detail about the grease (which was listed with a $35 price)


In addition there is some kind of grease specifically for Manfrotto fluid heads for video "Manfrotto MVH502AH Fluid Head (Grease Replacement)"

So obviously Manfrotto indeed used to use grease, even if the 'kids' there today know nothing about it, and their blurb says maintenance free. Good luck trying to speak with Manfrotto parts to get a description of the intended use of each of the greases, (R116,23; R3,3511; R101,857)

I found the 'Friction Grease R3,3511', listed on a German site, but the accompanying illustration shows a Manfrotto TRIPOD, not head.
Same web site also listed 'R116,23 Manfrotto Drag Grease', and again the illustration was a Tripod, not head.
So the only Manfrotto part to investigate with them would be R101,857. The 'high viscosity black' does not sound promising for a tripod head, though.

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Mar 30, 2021 01:17 |  #10

My Manfrotto 410, 405 and Arca-Swiss Z1s have all been rebuilt over the years as they get dirty and start sticking. I use either Molykote G-n for the geared or Molykote M-77 as a grease. All of my Gitzo legs are also lubricated with the G-n. It's not a grease, but closer to a suspension that is used as an assembly lube for low speed, high load surfaces. Brush on VERY lightly or burnish it in with a patch of chamois. The geared heads are dead smooth, the leg locks like butter, and there isn't the high load stiction associated with lithium grease under load or ease of loss that PTFE has.




  
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Mar 30, 2021 10:26 as a reply to  @ docholliday_sc001's post |  #11

Thanks everyone. Thats very impressive search results.
Just found this video. The aluminum mounting / panning base looks very similar even though the rest if totally different.
The "original grease or lubricant" didn't look like the new white lubricant in the video either.
I do not want any lubricant leaking out onto the tripod. That would be a huge mess.
https://youtu.be/mtFnf​qb7ryQ (external link)
I'm sure my other model 3047 is 25 years old.
I'll try to figure out how old this 3030G tripod head is and what is inside before opening up.
Bearings, plastic or brass bushings ect.
I have a small arbor press if needed.
If parts are unavailable I won't open it up.




  
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Mar 30, 2021 12:31 as a reply to  @ vision35's post |  #12

If it is pretty hard to work now, you might as well open it up and give it a try... Nothing to lose, it is already close to useless!


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vision35 wrote in post #19215922 (external link)
Thanks everyone. Thats very impressive search results.
Just found this video. The aluminum mounting / panning base looks very similar even though the rest if totally different.
The "original grease or lubricant" didn't look like the new white lubricant in the video either.
I do not want any lubricant leaking out onto the tripod. That would be a huge mess.
https://youtu.be/mtFnf​qb7ryQ (external link)
I'm sure my other model 3047 is 25 years old.
I'll try to figure out how old this 3030G tripod head is and what is inside before opening up.
Bearings, plastic or brass bushings ect.
I have a small arbor press if needed.
If parts are unavailable I won't open it up.

There's a breakdown of the head here: https://www.manfrottos​pares.com/141rcnat-parts.html (external link) along with spare part numbers that you can order to replace.

The Molykote is a "solid lubricant", so it won't ever squirt out, run, or decay. The trick to using high content Moly is to *lightly* burnish the surfaces with the paste, then brush a tiny bit on the moving surface.




  
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