EOS R3 (Discussion Thread)

P.S.other than in name alone, HOW is the R3 even remotely arguably positioned "between 1DX3 and R5"when it beats the 1DX3 in every single spec, measurement available other than mech shutter FPS?
Does 2 FPS in mech shutter mode now really beat out every other measurement? Combined? This is just silly.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19283403
The res really does kill it for me.
I LOVE this camera,. and really wanted to be in the first shipment, but as it stands, I think I will wait. My 5 year old 5D4 soldiers on, and the R5 will give me much of the new AF tech with even MORE resolution. Again we are forced to decide between 1D features and modern up to date resolution. The merging of the 1D and 1Ds into the 1Dx continues to plague Canon even into the mirrorless era, where we now know the bandwidth is available to move the higher res data fast enough to create the no compromise solution. Canon just has to want to do it. All the tech is available and already in their own cameras.

When/if and R1 is released with a real high res sensor, I will then decide if I can swing that exorbitant price, or suck it up and shoot the R3 at 24MP at a lower used price.

Ah, Jake, I was so looking forward to relieving you of your 5D4 when you were going to upgrade to the R3. lol

The R5/R6 eye AF is definitely a much better way to shoot sports and weddings, I feel, than the 1DX2.

I can train the AF point onto the bride on the procession and recompose, and the camera keeps focus on her face as she moves. It makes cropping for the purpose of recomposition a thing of the past.

So that is the one place I feel the older DSLRs just don't hold a candle to some parts of what someone will shoot. Also, 20fps locked onto the face of an athlete while keeping the composition as you want it, as they run past missed tackles on their way to the goal is also something you don't get on any Canon DSLR, or at least not quite as easily.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19283403
The res really does kill it for me.
I LOVE this camera,. and really wanted to be in the first shipment, but as it stands, I think I will wait. My 5 year old 5D4 soldiers on, and the R5 will give me much of the new AF tech with even MORE resolution. Again we are forced to decide between 1D features and modern up to date resolution. The merging of the 1D and 1Ds into the 1Dx continues to plague Canon even into the mirrorless era, where we now know the bandwidth is available to move the higher res data fast enough to create the no compromise solution. Canon just has to want to do it. All the tech is available and already in their own cameras.

When/if and R1 is released with a real high res sensor, I will then decide if I can swing that exorbitant price, or suck it up and shoot the R3 at 24MP at a lower used price.

I am in the same boat, but with the R6 and 5D4. This camera, for me, has to be priced around the $5K mark for it to have value in my bag, given its specs, compared to what I can shoot now with the gear that is out there. I also have to look at the CFExpress "tax" that comes with this body, as I have no need for those cards or a card reader today.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19283403
The res really does kill it for me.
My 5 year old 5D4 soldiers on, and the R5 will give me much of the new AF tech with even MORE resolution. Again we are forced to decide between 1D features and modern up to date resolution. The merging of the 1D and 1Ds into the 1Dx continues to plague Canon even into the mirrorless era, where we now know the bandwidth is available to move the higher res data fast enough to create the no compromise solution. Canon just has to want to do it.

When/if and R1 is released with a real high res sensor, I will then decide if I can swing that exorbitant price, or suck it up and shoot the R3 at 24MP at a lower used price.

Canon does not want to do it. They are more interested selling glass. The RF mirrorless bodies are a necessary evil

I would put my 1Dx2 and a 1Dx3 against an R5...R6 any day of the week ....and I will get better results on the DSLR's. Seriously, the only advantage I see on the mirrorless bodies are

1- ISO performance above 12800 ISO ( especially on the R6 )

2- Eye focus for couples and individual portraiture and animal eye focus for wildlife shooters

3- optically superior glass and you are splitting hairs against version 2 and version 3 L glass

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19283413
I am in the same boat, but with the R6 and 5D4. This camera, for me, has to be priced around the $5K mark for it to have value in my bag, given its specs, compared to what I can shoot now with the gear that is out there. I also have to look at the CFExpress "tax" that comes with this body, as I have no need for those cards or a card reader today.

The ONLY advantage I see over the R6 is the AF system. Its a great leap. $2500 for the R6 or $6000 for the R3 to get the 1D af system??? REALLY......if you have a 1Dx2 or 1Dx3 DSLR there is no way I would spend the $$$$$.....I would stay R6 all day long/.....R6 and 5D4 is a killer combo.....Most people I know are shooting the R5's in craw.....they dont need the resolution...exception are wildlife shooters. Reasons are crop-ability and animal eye focus.....Im still tempted by the R6 with my 500F4 for wildlife work. But I seem to be able to stay close enough and use the 5D4 and 1Dx2. The R6 with a 150-600 has had some mixed reports. I Might just get another 100-400 version 2 and some new version 3 TC's....great reports from you and others.Im not sold on the R bodies except the R6

Canon continues to miss the boat on R body sensor performance and resolution....either too little or too much.....30mp's seems to be the sweet spot....they cant seem to get the consumers satisfied on the resolution issues. 24Mp's IS NOT a serious upgrade. Its a joke

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19283412
The R5/R6 eye AF is definitely a much better way to shoot sports and weddings, I feel, than the 1DX2.

I can train the AF point onto the bride on the procession and recompose, and the camera keeps focus on her face as she moves. It makes cropping for the purpose of recomposition a thing of the past.

So that is the one place I feel the older DSLRs just don't hold a candle to some parts of what someone will shoot. Also, 20fps locked onto the face of an athlete while keeping the composition as you want it, as they run past missed tackles on their way to the goal is also something you don't get on any Canon DSLR, or at least not quite as easily.

To be perfectly honest- I would never use eye focus at a wedding unless i was doing bridal portraits only. I manually put the focus where I want it on every shot. I would never use anything auto focus at a wedding. I watch for very specific things and moments and Im on the center point anticipating when they will occur.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19283412
The R5/R6 eye AF is definitely a much better way to shoot sports and weddings, I feel, than the 1DX2.

I can train the AF point onto the bride on the procession and recompose, and the camera keeps focus on her face as she moves. It makes cropping for the purpose of recomposition a thing of the past.

So that is the one place I feel the older DSLRs just don't hold a candle to some parts of what someone will shoot. Also, 20fps locked onto the face of an athlete while keeping the composition as you want it, as they run past missed tackles on their way to the goal is also something you don't get on any Canon DSLR, or at least not quite as easily.

As for sports and processionals. You have not used a 1Dx AF system for any extended period of time. The servo capabilities on the 1Dx systems and ability to set up that AF system is 2nd to anything. Why do I want to be in electric shutter and load up a card at 20FPS when I can stay in servo, hit a reliable focus point and rely on my eye and skill sets to capture what I want to capture....In all the years I have used the 1D systems I rarely burst longer than a 4-6 image burst.....and I have never used a burst for a wedding processional. Im in servo and im waiting for her head to turn towards her dad or her eyes to find the groom. 5-7 shots and im out of there.

umphotography wrote in post #19283424
The ONLY advantage I see over the R6 is the AF system. Its a great leap. $2500 for the R6 or $6000 for the R3 to get the 1D af system??? REALLY......if you have a 1Dx2 or 1Dx3 DSLR there is no way I would spend the $$$$$.....I would stay R6 all day long/.....R6 and 5D4 is a killer combo.....Most people I know are shooting the R5's in craw.....they dont need the resolution...exception are wildlife shooters. Reasons are crop-ability and animal eye focus.....Im still tempted by the R6 with my 500F4 for wildlife work. But I seem to be able to stay close enough and use the 5D4 and 1Dx2. The R6 with a 150-600 has had some mixed reports. I Might just get another 100-400 version 2 and some new version 3 TC's....great reports from you and others.Im not sold on the R bodies except the R6

Canon continues to miss the boat on R body sensor performance and resolution....either too little or too much.....30mp's seems to be the sweet spot....they cant seem to get the consumers satisfied on the resolution issues. 24Mp's IS NOT a serious upgrade. Its a joke

We agree on several points.

umphotography wrote in post #19283427
To be perfectly honest- I would never use eye focus at a wedding unless i was doing bridal portraits only. I manually put the focus where I want it on every shot. I would never use anything auto focus at a wedding. I watch for very specific things and moments and Im on the center point anticipating when they will occur.

I used it on the last wedding, and it worked wonderfully. During the reception, there were a few hiccups, because in a dance, a couple slowly spins around, and I had the AF point jump a bit, and then go to full face detection.

In those cases, I have the * button set to spot AF and I just move my thumb to that button and position the starting AF on the person and use the R6 like I do my 5D4.

umphotography wrote in post #19283433
As for sports and processionals. You have not used a 1Dx AF system for any extended period of time. The servo capabilities on the 1Dx systems and ability to set up that AF system is 2nd to anything. Why do I want to be in electric shutter and load up a card at 20FPS when I can stay in servo, hit a reliable focus point and rely on my eye and skill sets to capture what I want to capture....In all the years I have used the 1D systems I rarely burst longer than a 4-6 image burst.....and I have never used a burst for a wedding processional. Im in servo and im waiting for her head to turn towards her dad or her eyes to find the groom. 5-7 shots and im out of there.

I have not used a 1DX yet, but during rugby full out runs, I rattled off 20fps with the camera following the person's eye while I kept the camera composed so that all of the player was in the frame and I just zoomed back as the player approached me. For a non-1D, that is extremely powerful. Of course, I then had about 80 images for each spurt of action that I had to go through, and that wasn't fun at all.

I also rattled off bursts for a full 100mm hurdle event on a parent's kid, and every shot but 3 was in focus as the person ran over the hurdles.

Of course I have my AF ON full configured for that, and then * set up for those times eye AF or iTR fails, and then I moved my thumb over to *. Of course the R6 spot AF is much larger than the spot AF of the Canon DSLRs, which is a bit unfortunate.

The R3 promises much more of that, with a 380x faster processing speed on various items related to AF and file I/O, with its new processor. Should be interesting! I do wish the spot AF grid would shrink down a bit more though.

I like everything the R3 has to offer minus the slow mechanical shutter rate. Maybe that will prove not to be a big deal but we'll have to see. Having both an R5 and 1DX3, each camera has its advantages. For people work, the R5 is untouched. Even with large groups you can jump from subject to subject insanely fast with the thumbstick. For sports and wildlife, more often than not, I leave it at home. The OVF on the 1DX3 is unmatched, especially when trying to chase a bird at 800mm. The EVF on the R5, as awesome as it is, just cant keep up and its impossible to even find the animal sometimes. Also, flip the mirror up on the 1dx3 and you have an R5 on steroids if you can manage shooting from the LCD. I have no issues with the 400 on a monopod shooting from the back.

David83 wrote in post #19283483
I like everything the R3 has to offer minus the slow mechanical shutter rate. Maybe that will prove not to be a big deal but we'll have to see. Having both an R5 and 1DX3, each camera has its advantages. For people work, the R5 is untouched. Even with large groups you can jump from subject to subject insanely fast with the thumbstick. For sports and wildlife, more often than not, I leave it at home. The OVF on the 1DX3 is unmatched, especially when trying to chase a bird at 800mm. The EVF on the R5, as awesome as it is, just cant keep up and its impossible to even find the animal sometimes. Also, flip the mirror up on the 1dx3 and you have an R5 on steroids if you can manage shooting from the LCD. I have no issues with the 400 on a monopod shooting from the back.

David83

Sounds to me that you might like the higher resolution for portrait work ? Have you tried something like a 5Ds that has a 50Mp sensor. I would love to see the comparisons. Of course the R5 would blow it out with ISO and AF capabilities.

Im wondering why you feel the R5 is unsurpassed for portrait work. What are your factors ? I know the 5D4 is really good at people portraits.

I agree with every word you said for sports and wildlife. Especially startled and fast moving wildlife that comes out of no where. I can get a shot at them with my 1Dx2. No so much with a mirrorless. A lot of guys were complaining when we were put shooting eagles

Doesn't the new sensor tech on the R3 = readouts fast enough that mech shutter is no longer even needed? I thought that was part of the advantage. So even with flash/strobes the mech shutter doesn't really matter. Did i make that up?

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19283522
Doesn't the new sensor tech on the R3 = readouts fast enough that mech shutter is no longer even needed? I thought that was part of the advantage. So even with flash/strobes the mech shutter doesn't really matter. Did i make that up?

Stacked sensor doesn't mean global shutter... unfortunately.

There will even still be some rolling shutter effects with the R3, but they are saying that something like 2/3 of that effect has been eliminated, so very rare cases will it rear its ugly head.