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Upgrade 60D to mirrorless: M50 mark II or M6 mark II?

 
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May 24, 2021 22:53 |  #1

Some back story first. I've not used my camera much over the past few years, just got too busy with life, and would only take photos on family holidays once or twice a year, and then the pandemic hit.

Once this madness ends (still a long shot here though, vaccine rollout is slow and cases skyrocketing), I plan on travelling extensively and want a camera with me.

My 60D isn't bad, but I've always wanted smaller/lighter, and I think I'm due for an upgrade anyway. Mirrorless seems to be the way to go. I'm not brand-snob, but since I already have a bunch of EF/EF-S lenses (see my signature), I think sticking to Canon may be the better option.

My shooting style is akin to street photography, environmental portrait, and portrait. I don't do sport/action, and I like wide rather than long. Oh, and I don't care about video.

My budget is enough for either M50II or M6II (the M6 maxes out my budget).

What I like about the M50II:

* Built-in viewfinder
* Cheaper (by $150)

What I don't like about it:

* Only one dial (can't easily change shutter speed while in AV?)
* Sensor feels like old tech (isn't it using the 5 year-old 80D sensor?)

What I like about the M6II:

* Latest sensor tech
* 2 dials
* I actually don't mind the lack of viewfinder (do you even need a viewfinder on a mirrorless?)

What I don't like about it:

* Price (paying for things I won't use like 14fps, 4k video)
* Maybe I do need a viewfinder after all?


If I understand correctly, both cameras have the same AF. The face and eye tracking is a big selling point for me. Am I correct to assume that I will not have to worry about focus when shooting portrait? The camera handles that for me and I can concentrate on framing?

Are viewfinders overrated? Does the 32Mpix sensor produce noticeably better IQ?




  
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May 26, 2021 14:37 |  #2

Keep in mind the utility of having a viewfinder in a camera


  1. You compose and focus with your eye to the viewfinder, so the camera is resting against the bones of your face, thereby having three points of support (two arms, head) for better stability and resistance to camera shake, particularly when using long FL lenses
  2. Your eye to the eyepiece assures best view to focus and compose, rather than holding a camera out at arm's distance and trying to see the rear LCD which is flooded by bright sunlight which makes it hard to see what is displayed on the LCD


As for accuracy of focus, keep in mind that the camera CANNOT always properly guess what YOU WISH to be best focused...it cannot read your mind. Getting visual confirmation of which AF point was used, and what part of the subject that AF point fell on, will better assure that what you think is important is the best focused object in the frame.

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May 27, 2021 04:43 |  #3

Can't comment on the camera model specific questions but along with a 1Dx I also use a M5 and an original M6 for comparison - I agree with everything Wilt said!
I rarely use the viewfinder on the M5 but it's useful in bright sunlight so if given the choice again I'd buy a model with one.

Reason I got the M6 was it was going incredibly cheap & I was looking for a mirrorless to convert to Infrared, I was thinking I could always add a separate viewfinder (EVF-DC2) but haven't seen one avail at reasonable price yet.

Looking at the M6 MK II locally they always seem to bundle in the EVF here but I guess they don't do that in the US? might be worth considering for a later purchase.

On both M-cameras I more often flip up the LCD to horizontal and hold the camera at waist-level looking down at the screen to take shots rather than hold the camera out at arms-length as I find it's a more stable way to hold the camera.


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May 27, 2021 07:22 |  #4

Wilt wrote in post #19240561 (external link)
Keep in mind the utility of having a viewfinder in a camera


  1. You compose and focus with your eye to the viewfinder, so the camera is resting against the bones of your face, thereby having three points of support (two arms, head) for better stability and resistance to camera shake, particularly when using long FL lenses
  2. Your eye to the eyepiece assures best view to focus and compose, rather than holding a camera out at arm's distance and trying to see the rear LCD which is flooded by bright sunlight which makes it hard to see what is displayed on the LCD


As for accuracy of focus, keep in mind that the camera CANNOT always properly guess what YOU WISH to be best focused...it cannot read your mind. Getting visual confirmation of which AF point was used, and what part of the subject that AF point fell on, will better assure that what you think is important is the best focused object in the frame.

I owned the original EOS M, which did not have a viewfinder. After shooting my whole life with a VF, I hated shooting without one. Your points as to why are spot-on. I upgraded to an M50 Mark1 and am much, much happier with that small mirrorless body, which I use when I want to travel light.

I would never buy another camera without a decent viewfinder.


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May 28, 2021 04:25 |  #5

I see what you guys mean. I just tried my 60D in live view under direct sunlight and I couldn't see much at all. It's a big deal.

The m6II doesn't sell as a kit with the evf here, and bought separately, it costs an extra USD 290. Ouch.

The m50II is clearly a better value. I'm just annoyed about the lack of controls, especially a second dial. Shooting in manual mode or dialing some exposure compensation in AV mode sounds like a pain without that...




  
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May 28, 2021 12:05 as a reply to  @ cedm's post |  #6

It's not as bad as it seems, you just hold a button as you adjust the dial for a setting. I don't even think much about it.


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