Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Post Processing, Marketing & Presenting Photos RAW, Post Processing & Printing 
Thread started 22 Jul 2021 (Thursday) 11:06
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Upgrade from Lightroom 5?

 
eaglefan
Member
148 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 3
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Brandon, MS
     
Jul 22, 2021 11:06 |  #1

I'm still using Lightroom 5.7 to edit and process my RAW photos. I do have to convert them from CR2 (no support for 5D4) to DNG files before Lightroom will recognize them, which is annoying. However, what will I truly gain by upgrading to the latest version of Lightroom? I'm not interested in mobile editing or cloud storage.
Does the new version do a better job of reducing noise?
5.7 runs pretty fast on my PC now (Amd Ryzen 7, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVME, GT 1030 graphics). I'm sure the new version will be slower.

Convince me to upgrade, or to stay where I'm at.

Thanks in advance!


5D Mark IV (2) l RP l 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II l Canon 24-105 l Canon 85L 1.4
MattTorresPhoto.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Wilt
Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1]
Avatar
46,419 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 4507
Joined Aug 2005
Location: Belmont, CA
Post edited over 2 years ago by Wilt. (10 edits in all)
     
Jul 22, 2021 13:32 |  #2

Sometimes starting with what Adobe says is best...it avoids the personalized assessment with that person's biases, and you can decide on your own merit

First LR6 vs. LR5

https://prodesigntools​.com …-lightroom-6-cc-vs-5.html (external link)

LRv v LR3 vLR4 v LR% v LR6 vc LRCC performance comparison

https://photographylif​e.com …cc-performance-comparison (external link)

what's in LR7, LR8, LR9. Victoria Brompton is very knowledgeable on all things LR.

https://www.lightroomq​ueen.com …-classic-october-2017-70/ (external link)
https://www.lightroomq​ueen.com …-in-lightroom-classic-80/ (external link)
https://www.lightroomq​ueen.com …in-lightroom-classic-9-0/ (external link)

LR10

https://helpx.adobe.co​m …assic/help/what​s-new.html (external link)

Be sure to consider minimum hardware and minimum O/S.
Anything past LR6 comes only in perpetual subscription, not onetime license fee. As I had no camera later than 7DII, I have no reason for later versions of LR (after LR6), and paying forever for a hobby in retirement does not sound desireable, and I do not miss features that came out after LR6.
If I was a working pro making money from photography to pay for the subscription, I very well might have a different outlook on the issue of monthly subscription fees.

The LR world is further confused by two worlds in parallel: Lightroom Classic and Lightroom (cloud ecosystem) are both used for organizing and editing photos, but they don’t think the same way. Classic is designed to catalog photos stored on the hard drive with lots of user-control, whereas Lightroom (cloud ecosystem) is designed to manage the photos in the cloud for you. Both the local file system and the cloud want to be in charge of your photos, which would result in lots of conflicts between them.

https://www.lightroomq​ueen.com …m-cc-vs-classic-features/ (external link)


You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.p​hp
Canon dSLR system, Olympus OM 35mm system, Bronica ETRSi 645 system, Horseman LS 4x5 system, Metz flashes, Dynalite studio lighting, and too many accessories to mention

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
digital ­ paradise
Awaiting the title ferry...
Avatar
19,672 posts
Gallery: 157 photos
Likes: 16800
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Canada
     
Jul 23, 2021 10:43 |  #3

I think Adobe has improved NR since 5.7 but it still is behind compared to competitors. DXO's Prime and now Deep Prime is the top one. Then you have 3rd party like Topaz Denoise and the newly released NoNoise by ON1. They are catching up to DXO. I only use 3rd party for troublesome files or fine art. I'm hoping Adobe does something to match the competition. I just gave them heck again ;-)a Last post.

https://feedback.photo​shop.com …/5f5f46144b561a​3d427295da (external link)

You don't need to use the cloud. Adobe now has two versions of Lightroom. Lightroom (Lr) which was introduced in 2017 (I think) is the mobile version which automatically sends files to the cloud. I never installed it. You can get your files back to earth if you want to. Adobe offers an app for that.

Lightroom Classic (LrC) version 10.3 is similar to your version of 5.7. It requires local file storage with and "option" to sync to the cloud if you choose to do so. Even if you sync using LrC it only sends "smart previews", not your actual files. I have been using LrC since 2017 and I don't have a single file in the cloud. You can always test drive it and revert back to 5.7.

https://www.lightroomq​ueen.com …-classic-since-version-6/ (external link)

https://www.lightroomq​ueen.com …m-cc-vs-classic-features/ (external link)

Those links are from the blog at this website.

https://www.lightroomq​ueen.com/community/ (external link)

Here is a 16,000 ISO example with the Canon R5. You can judge for yourself because I really can't say for sure about how much NR has been improved without some backing. You could ask at that website in the forums.

No NR.

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2021/07/4/LQ_1113243.jpg
Image hosted by forum (1113243) © digital paradise [SHARE LINK]
THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff.


FYI LrC has a new feature called ISO Adaptive Preset. You pick your lowest ISO like 100 and make all your NR adjustments. Then your highest you use like 32,000 and make your adjustments. You save it and it will apply at import and automatically adjust NR based on the ISO for each file. Texture (new feature), Clarity, Dehaze, Sharpening, Detail, Masking and NR were applied based the ISO of this file. Lens Corrections and CA also auto apply. The only I did after import intros example was press the Auto button which has also been improved as well. Very usable now. It's called Sensei now. AI tech. Then I start to edit.

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2021/07/4/LQ_1113244.jpg
Image hosted by forum (1113244) © digital paradise [SHARE LINK]
THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff.

Image Editing OK

Website (external link) ~ Buy/Sell Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
digital ­ paradise
Awaiting the title ferry...
Avatar
19,672 posts
Gallery: 157 photos
Likes: 16800
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Canada
Post edited over 2 years ago by digital paradise.
     
Jul 23, 2021 10:44 |  #4

Original file.

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2021/07/4/LQ_1113245.jpg
Image hosted by forum (1113245) © digital paradise [SHARE LINK]
THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff.

Image Editing OK

Website (external link) ~ Buy/Sell Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
digital ­ paradise
Awaiting the title ferry...
Avatar
19,672 posts
Gallery: 157 photos
Likes: 16800
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Canada
     
Jul 23, 2021 10:48 |  #5

10,000 ISO and all I did was press Auto. I was testing out my new R5 at the Zoo. That Cardinal was from the wild. It took me a month to get it.

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2021/07/4/LQ_1113246.jpg
Image hosted by forum (1113246) © digital paradise [SHARE LINK]
THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff.

Image Editing OK

Website (external link) ~ Buy/Sell Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
digital ­ paradise
Awaiting the title ferry...
Avatar
19,672 posts
Gallery: 157 photos
Likes: 16800
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Canada
Post edited over 2 years ago by digital paradise.
     
Jul 23, 2021 14:41 |  #6

Just some more info. Technically you aren’t supposed to use both LrC and Lr on the desktop. They were never designed to work together. As the owner of the Lightroom Queen put it “both want to be the boss”. That being said people have found workarounds. You’re not interested in the cloud but I thought I’d mention it.

You probably know LR/PS is now subscription which doesn’t work for everyone. The plan comes with a personal website that is integrated with LrC. I suppose Lr as well but I don’t use it so I’m not 100% sure.

If you don’t like subscription and don’t need a DAM, DXO PL is worth taking a look at for NR.


Image Editing OK

Website (external link) ~ Buy/Sell Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
digital ­ paradise
Awaiting the title ferry...
Avatar
19,672 posts
Gallery: 157 photos
Likes: 16800
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Canada
     
Jul 25, 2021 11:17 |  #7

eaglefan wrote in post #19262833 (external link)
I'm still using Lightroom 5.7 to edit and process my RAW photos. I do have to convert them from CR2 (no support for 5D4) to DNG files before Lightroom will recognize them, which is annoying. However, what will I truly gain by upgrading to the latest version of Lightroom? I'm not interested in mobile editing or cloud storage.
Does the new version do a better job of reducing noise?
5.7 runs pretty fast on my PC now (Amd Ryzen 7, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVME, GT 1030 graphics). I'm sure the new version will be slower.

Convince me to upgrade, or to stay where I'm at.

Thanks in advance!

So have you checked anything out? Curios to see what you think and what path you take.


Image Editing OK

Website (external link) ~ Buy/Sell Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
eaglefan
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
148 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 3
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Brandon, MS
     
Jul 25, 2021 20:08 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #8

Thanks for all of your input! Those noise reduction samples are insanely good! I haven't upgraded to mirrorless yet, still using the 5D IV and am happy with it for now.
I haven't decided or tried out the new version yet, but will probably try LR 10.3 soon.


5D Mark IV (2) l RP l 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II l Canon 24-105 l Canon 85L 1.4
MattTorresPhoto.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
digital ­ paradise
Awaiting the title ferry...
Avatar
19,672 posts
Gallery: 157 photos
Likes: 16800
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Canada
     
Jul 25, 2021 21:52 |  #9

eaglefan wrote in post #19264245 (external link)
Thanks for all of your input! Those noise reduction samples are insanely good! I haven't upgraded to mirrorless yet, still using the 5D IV and am happy with it for now.
I haven't decided or tried out the new version yet, but will probably try LR 10.3 soon.

Tomorrow I’ll look for some high ISO 5D4 files so I can post examples.


Image Editing OK

Website (external link) ~ Buy/Sell Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
mathogre
Goldmember
Avatar
3,836 posts
Gallery: 122 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 1387
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Oakton, VA USA
     
Jul 25, 2021 22:14 |  #10

eaglefan wrote in post #19262833 (external link)
I'm still using Lightroom 5.7 to edit and process my RAW photos. I do have to convert them from CR2 (no support for 5D4) to DNG files before Lightroom will recognize them, which is annoying. However, what will I truly gain by upgrading to the latest version of Lightroom? I'm not interested in mobile editing or cloud storage.
Does the new version do a better job of reducing noise?
5.7 runs pretty fast on my PC now (Amd Ryzen 7, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVME, GT 1030 graphics). I'm sure the new version will be slower.

Convince me to upgrade, or to stay where I'm at.

Thanks in advance!

Hi Matt!

I don't know how up-to-date your PC is, but if it is as old as your version of Lightroom, I wouldn't change. You have a system and process that works for you. Upgrading to a new, shiny thing is often "interesting", which doesn't equate with "good". If your PC isn't up to the current software, you're likely to curse at your PC more than you do now.

Now, if you're willing to keep your electronic darkroom up-to-date with your camera gear, feel free to continue reading.

Full Disclosure: I use Adobe's photography package w/ Lightroom Classic (LrC) and Photoshop (Ps). It's like the cost of buying and processing a 24 exposure roll of film a month (if you can do that for $10!). I don't use mobile editing (Edit my photos on an iPhone?! Is Adobe out of their fine mind?!) and I don't use cloud storage, either. I also use a late 2019 iMac with 32GB RAM and 20TB of storage, with the storage being mostly on external drives. (I'll add LrC and Ps to my M1 MacBook Air in the next weeks.)

Should you upgrade? You have a 5DMkIV, and you're throwing away information by converting to DNG. I know for me there are times I'll go back to Canon's Digital Photo Professional to see some very specific details only available to this package. Specifically I might want to know which AF points were used for the photo. I tried DNG conversion once, and regretted it. I lost information I wanted. Yes, DNG is "universal", but that's Adobe's definition of "universal". The cost of DNG is loss of information. It's your call on that.

LrC sucks regarding how long it takes to load. Once loaded however, it is wonderful. LrC is fast, and while I never thought I'd ever use Ps, I find Ps to be invaluable for those rare times I need it. LrC itself is simply amazing. There's so much it can do. If I had to go back to an earlier version of Lr, I would not be happy.

On noise reduction, you've got a 5DMkIV. You may see noise, most non-photographers do not. No matter. When you reduce noise artificially, you remove details that can be important to your photos. I stopped doing general noise reduction a couple years ago.

Should you go to the Adobe photographer package, you may need to replace your computer. That's likely to cost less than your full frame Canons or some of your L lenses, but that's up to you. Personally I like my automation to keep up with me. I like that Adobe updates LrC and Ps frequently, even though some updates aren't without issues. I don't like my tools to slow me down or get in my way. I would drop Adobe and/or Apple in an instant if I thought I could do better with other tools.

Should you upgrade from Lightroom 5? Maybe the question should be, "Should you stay with Lightroom 5?" I just saw a webpage indicating the Lr 5.7.1 release was announced in December 2014. That's pushing seven years. On upgrading, it's your call.

Hope this helps!


Graham
My Photo Collection (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Nick5
Goldmember
Avatar
3,385 posts
Gallery: 7 photos
Likes: 409
Joined Mar 2007
Location: Philadelphia Suburbs
Post edited over 2 years ago by Nick5.
     
Jul 26, 2021 07:24 |  #11

mathogre wrote in post #19264264 (external link)
Hi Matt!

I don't know how up-to-date your PC is, but if it is as old as your version of Lightroom, I wouldn't change. You have a system and process that works for you. Upgrading to a new, shiny thing is often "interesting", which doesn't equate with "good". If your PC isn't up to the current software, you're likely to curse at your PC more than you do now.

Now, if you're willing to keep your electronic darkroom up-to-date with your camera gear, feel free to continue reading.

Full Disclosure: I use Adobe's photography package w/ Lightroom Classic (LrC) and Photoshop (Ps). It's like the cost of buying and processing a 24 exposure roll of film a month (if you can do that for $10!). I don't use mobile editing (Edit my photos on an iPhone?! Is Adobe out of their fine mind?!) and I don't use cloud storage, either. I also use a late 2019 iMac with 32GB RAM and 20TB of storage, with the storage being mostly on external drives. (I'll add LrC and Ps to my M1 MacBook Air in the next weeks.)

Should you upgrade? You have a 5DMkIV, and you're throwing away information by converting to DNG. I know for me there are times I'll go back to Canon's Digital Photo Professional to see some very specific details only available to this package. Specifically I might want to know which AF points were used for the photo. I tried DNG conversion once, and regretted it. I lost information I wanted. Yes, DNG is "universal", but that's Adobe's definition of "universal". The cost of DNG is loss of information. It's your call on that.

LrC sucks regarding how long it takes to load. Once loaded however, it is wonderful. LrC is fast, and while I never thought I'd ever use Ps, I find Ps to be invaluable for those rare times I need it. LrC itself is simply amazing. There's so much it can do. If I had to go back to an earlier version of Lr, I would not be happy.

On noise reduction, you've got a 5DMkIV. You may see noise, most non-photographers do not. No matter. When you reduce noise artificially, you remove details that can be important to your photos. I stopped doing general noise reduction a couple years ago.

Should you go to the Adobe photographer package, you may need to replace your computer. That's likely to cost less than your full frame Canons or some of your L lenses, but that's up to you. Personally I like my automation to keep up with me. I like that Adobe updates LrC and Ps frequently, even though some updates aren't without issues. I don't like my tools to slow me down or get in my way. I would drop Adobe and/or Apple in an instant if I thought I could do better with other tools.

Should you upgrade from Lightroom 5? Maybe the question should be, "Should you stay with Lightroom 5?" I just saw a webpage indicating the Lr 5.7.1 release was announced in December 2014. That's pushing seven years. On upgrading, it's your call.

Hope this helps!

Mathogre. Pretty much sums up my situation as well.
I was an old Aperture user. In Fall of 2016 I decided to case a course locally in Lightroom. So I purchased LR 5. At the second class a feature in LR6 was being introduced in class that was valuable to me…. So I Bought LR6…….. Dope!
About another year later more and more features added to the Photography plan and not to LR7 because Adobe stopped the Stand Alone Version…… at first I was miffed. But then looking back with LR5 and LR6 at $149.00 each i drooped $300.00 in less than a year…. Trying to justify the the “Subscription for Life” fear, my Cable and Internet is “subscription” along with many items in life, like food ….. a cost of living. So I dove in to the Subscription Plan with Lightroom Classic and Photoshop. As I am in my “Lightroom Lounge” almost every night late, it has been something I should have done before I purchased both LR5 and LR6……
To sum up the Adobe Photographers Plan I will quote Bill Murray in “Caddy Shack”. “It’s no big deal….”


Canon 5D Mark III (x2), BG-E11 Grips, 7D (x2) BG-E7 Grips, Canon Lenses 16-35 f/4 L IS, 17-40 f/4 L, 24-70 f/4 L IS, 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II, 70-200 f/4 L IS, 70-200 f/4 L IS Version II, 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 L IS Version II, TS-E 24 f/3.5 L II, 100 f/2.8 L Macro IS, 10-22 f3.5-4.5, 17-55 f/2.8 L IS, 85 f/1.8, Canon 1.4 Extender III, 5 Canon 600 EX-RT, 2 Canon ST-E3 Transmitters, Canon PRO-300 Printer

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
eaglefan
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
148 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 3
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Brandon, MS
     
Jul 26, 2021 08:14 as a reply to  @ mathogre's post |  #12

I have recently built a new PC with pretty good specs (AMD Ryzen 7, 32GB RAM, 1TB NVME storage, 2 4TB platter drives) except for the graphics card. They're prohibitively expensive right now, so I'm using an older GT 1030 card with 2G of ram. Does the new version of LR rely heavily on the graphics card for performance?


5D Mark IV (2) l RP l 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II l Canon 24-105 l Canon 85L 1.4
MattTorresPhoto.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
mathogre
Goldmember
Avatar
3,836 posts
Gallery: 122 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 1387
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Oakton, VA USA
     
Jul 26, 2021 08:41 |  #13

Nick5 wrote in post #19264360 (external link)
Mathogre. Pretty much sums up my situation as well.
I was an old Aperture user. In Fall of 2016 I decided to case a course locally in Lightroom. So I purchased LR 5. At the second class a feature in LR6 was being introduced in class that was valuable to me…. So I Bought LR6…….. Dope!
About another year later more and more features added to the Photography plan and not to LR7 because Adobe stopped the Stand Alone Version…… at first I was miffed. But then looking back with LR5 and LR6 at $149.00 each i drooped $300.00 in less than a year…. Trying to justify the the “Subscription for Life” fear, my Cable and Internet is “subscription” along with many items in life, like food ….. a cost of living. So I dove in to the Subscription Plan with Lightroom Classic and Photoshop. As I am in my “Lightroom Lounge” almost every night late, it has been something I should have done before I purchased both LR5 and LR6……
To sum up the Adobe Photographers Plan I will quote Bill Murray in “Caddy Shack”. “It’s no big deal….”

Ah, Apple Aperture! Aperture messed me up twice. After the second time, that's when I went to Adobe. :lol:

eaglefan wrote in post #19264370 (external link)
I have recently built a new PC with pretty good specs (AMD Ryzen 7, 32GB RAM, 1TB NVME storage, 2 4TB platter drives) except for the graphics card. They're prohibitively expensive right now, so I'm using an older GT 1030 card with 2G of ram. Does the new version of LR rely heavily on the graphics card for performance?

On LrC relying on the graphics card, I actually chose the option in LrC to *not* use the graphics card. I use multiple virtual desktops on my Mac, and LrC was doing some odd things with the processing, so I turned it off. As I recall, if I moved off the LrC screen, processing stopped. Now everything runs on the main processor, and there are no issues. Of course that was a couple years ago when I tried that, so maybe it works better now.

Fwiw, my old work machine was a Dell laptop running Win10, and I used multiple virtual desktops there, too. Microsoft actually did the virtual desktops rather well. If you allow LrC to use the graphics card and you use multiple virtual desktops, and you notice some odd issues such as LrC stops when you're on a different desktop, just shut off the graphics card option.


Graham
My Photo Collection (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
digital ­ paradise
Awaiting the title ferry...
Avatar
19,672 posts
Gallery: 157 photos
Likes: 16800
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Canada
     
Jul 26, 2021 10:40 |  #14

Adobe has been making performance improvements but you have to remember it is a parametric editor. If you are going to make pages of adjustments LR is not the best choice. Sending the file to PS is a better option. One key area is Spot Healing and Lens Corrections. If you turn Lens Corrections off during heavy healing it does make a difference. I haven't worried about Lens Corrections since getting a new iMac a few years ago as performance was not effected.

https://helpx.adobe.co​m …erformance-lightroom.html (external link)

These sections from the above link are very helpful. I pretty much follow the whole documents recommendations.

Spot Removal tool, local corrections, and History panel

Order of Develop operations

Avoid corrections that you don't need


Image Editing OK

Website (external link) ~ Buy/Sell Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
digital ­ paradise
Awaiting the title ferry...
Avatar
19,672 posts
Gallery: 157 photos
Likes: 16800
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Canada
     
Jul 26, 2021 12:06 |  #15

Couple of crops from a 5D4. ISO 32,000

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2021/07/4/LQ_1113682.jpg
Image hosted by forum (1113682) © digital paradise [SHARE LINK]
THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff.

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2021/07/4/LQ_1113683.jpg
Image hosted by forum (1113683) © digital paradise [SHARE LINK]
THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff.

Image Editing OK

Website (external link) ~ Buy/Sell Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,571 views & 0 likes for this thread, 5 members have posted to it and it is followed by 9 members.
Upgrade from Lightroom 5?
FORUMS Post Processing, Marketing & Presenting Photos RAW, Post Processing & Printing 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is griggt
670 guests, 119 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.