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Jul 25, 2021 08:50 |  #1

Before the days of powerful noise reduction software (NoNoise, DeNoise..etc.). There was a limit you would push you camera’s ISO setting to give you max shutter speed for shooting sports, wildlife…etc. With the new noise reduction software apps, how much further are you pushing your camera ISO because you think or know that the noise app can mitigate the extra noise?

For example, if you would set your auto IOS to a max of 1600, do you now set auto to 3200 or 6400?




  
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Jul 25, 2021 10:26 |  #2

MCAsan wrote in post #19263961 (external link)
Before the days of powerful noise reduction software (NoNoise, DeNoise..etc.). There was a limit you would push you camera’s ISO setting to give you max shutter speed for shooting sports, wildlife…etc. With the new noise reduction software apps, how much further are you pushing your camera ISO because you think or know that the noise app can mitigate the extra noise?

For example, if you would set your auto IOS to a max of 1600, do you now set auto to 3200 or 6400?

I don't worry about ISO because I always shoot in Auto ISO without setting a maximum and I use Denoise. I've had images at 6400+ that have come out noise free and look great. Some will argue they rather have a little noise and get the image than worry about ISO and not get the image.


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Jul 25, 2021 11:19 |  #3

For controlled shooting of people normally 6400 max, but prefer 400 as my standard as that is how I used to shoot film and it just "feels normal and right".
For indoor shots at weddings etc in photojournalist style maybe 20,000
I have had football pictures printed and been paid for at 102,000 from my D5 when shooting under "not very good" floodlights.
So it depends on the purpose of the shot for me the client, the subject, the conditions and the means of publication - (local press often print at 85dpi so a file set to 200 ppi is fine for them)
Not sure that helps but there you go


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Jul 26, 2021 16:11 |  #4

I did some night shots at 40,000 with my R. I’m never been afraid of high ISO. I’ll take getting a shot instead of a blurry one.

I shot a Cardinal at 16,000 last fall.


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Jul 28, 2021 20:24 |  #5

MCAsan wrote in post #19263961 (external link)
Before the days of powerful noise reduction software (NoNoise, DeNoise..etc.). There was a limit you would push you camera’s ISO setting to give you max shutter speed for shooting sports, wildlife…etc. With the new noise reduction software apps, how much further are you pushing your camera ISO because you think or know that the noise app can mitigate the extra noise?

For example, if you would set your auto IOS to a max of 1600, do you now set auto to 3200 or 6400?

Noise reduction is not just about high ISO images. It is useful for other things as well, such as eliminating noise when extracting detail from deep shadow areas, which is what I use it for most of the time.The following image was captured at !SO 100. However I wanted to include the very deep shadow detail surrounding the archway which I believed would make the image much more interesting. I processed the image In PhotoLab 4 Elite. I never could have gotten the results I did without high quality noise reduction.

The first image is a crop of the original with some basic edits.

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51342694329_33123c5163_h.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/2mdY​JgK  (external link) IMG_6321DXO_07_26_21 NR1_DxO (external link) by mwsilver (external link), on Flickr

In the second image I extracted detail from the deep shadows. I also added sharpness and micro contrast to the extracted details. As you can see, the resulting amount of noise is very extreme
IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51341233787_fc5c494f9b_h.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/2mdR​f6Z  (external link) IMG_6321DXO_07_26_21 NR2 _DxO (external link) by mwsilver (external link), on Flickr

This final image is identical to the previous one except that I applied DXO's DeepPRIME NR to it. All the details extracted from the deep shadows are now exceptionally clean,clear and very sharp with virtually no trace of noise.
IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51342966660_7d83345d4e_h.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/2me1​8e7  (external link) IMG_6321DXO_07_26_21 DPXD_DxO (external link) by mwsilver (external link), on Flickr

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Jul 28, 2021 20:46 |  #6

I shoot 1 stop more ISO than what looks good from the camera without NR, because I can clean up (with a single click in Photoshop) 1 stop of noise without a much a hit to detail.


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Jul 28, 2021 21:10 |  #7

Between upgrades to modern sensors and the newer tools, I mostly ignore ISO unless it's preventing me from getting a shot made. Mostly just enable AutoISO, adjust EC as needed to get my meter where I want it and shoot. If I've maxed out ISO, then I'll slow down and look at the other two settings and breaking out the tripod if that's more likely to get me where I need to be. Between LR and Topaz, I can deal with most any noise in a proper exposure and a decent amount of it in underexposed images/areas.


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