Is on camera flash a taboo now?

Capn Jack wrote in post #19514724
I hear you- I'm not a social media person but I get multiple chats via WeChat, Leap, and WhatsApp when my friends and colleagues in Asia wake up. I get Skype, teams, text, and e-mail during the day. It amazes me that kids keep it all straight since they havemany more feeds than I do.

As for the spelling, I blame part of that on the programmers. They fix a word, but put the wrong word in place without any indication that it was changed at all. A quick scan shows readable words, but not the correct words. If they make a change, it should be highlighted so a user can verify the correct word was used. Samsung/Android seem to use a voting system such that misspelled words show up as suggestions. I periodically need to clean out the dictionary to remove them.

That is a good point, spell checker on phones is a huge bane, grrr...

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19514714
That is part of the equation, unless one considers swype keyboards. The biggest part, as evidenced by my 15 year vs my 20 and 27 year old, is that there are so many social site/triggers that she is time-slicing through about 15 different feeds with 100 different people, so all communications are very terse and lack detail and vocabulary.

So attention spans are SO MUCH shorter, vocabulary is more restrictive, inability to read body language increases, spelling has gone out the window, grammatical constructs are thrown to the wind, and then when many of these enter the workforce, they are unable to read a 10 page operations manual, write a technical guide for team members, dig into code and do forensics on what might have broken on a release, or figure out how to some of the most rudimentary tasks. However employers have to pay higher amounts for less capable individuals, in some cases.

The other side of this is that many of them get bored very quickly. There is so much drama and sensationalization in their day to day interactions, that having to sit down and explain something in detail or read something in detail bores them immediately. This is why so much more time is now spent on jazzing up documentation to keep the younger generation interested in the material they are to read. I have never gotten into such heated debates with my other two girls as I do my youngest on terminology, expressing oneself accurately, thinking before talking, etc.

The reaping of such sown seeds in the last 2 generations will come to bear in the next 10-20 years across social and business environments.

I'm seeing that as well. Even my daughter, a Millennial who makes her living by her words, sees it.

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Excellent explanations. . Thank you!

By the way, I read the entire discussion that you posted a screenshot of. . I agree with both people's posts. . I can understand the guy (gal?) whose writing is in yellow wanting to overstate his (her?) position to get a rise out of people, and I respect the guy (gal?) whose words are in white for his (her?) balanced and almost too-reasonable-to-be-fun perspective.

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Wilt wrote in post #19511978
OK, forum participation is down. But that does not explain the lack of lack of discussion of flash selection, or discussion of flash usage in general, and the lack of discussion of flash usage in the context of wedding/reception photography.
Decade ago there was considerable discussion, about flash ouput, ceiling and walls for flash bounce, flash modifiers flash brackets, etc. Now little to close to none of that.
I just checked and of 300 posts on POTN, 5 had any content about flash technique or equipment.

A discussion on a different forum unearthed another reason for less discussion of flash...
15 years ago there were many folks with a digital camera wanting to be able to make some money with their camera, by shooting weddings. It is now noticed by one person that there are far fewer such folks looking to make a buck, so far fewer folks now asking questions about using flash...fewer pro-wannabe folks needing to bolster their knowledge. The 'wannabe-pro' population has shrunk, leading to less folks inquisitive about the subtleties of effective flash usage. Not simply less use of flash due to high ISO low noise ambient shooting...and the ones who are left think they don't need to use flash.

Wilt wrote in post #19516996
A discussion on a different forum unearthed another reason for less discussion of flash...
15 years ago there were many folks with a digital camera wanting to be able to make some money with their camera, by shooting weddings. It is now noticed by one person that there are far fewer such folks looking to make a buck, so far fewer folks now asking questions about using flash...fewer pro-wannabe folks needing to bolster their knowledge. The 'wannabe-pro' population has shrunk, leading to less folks inquisitive about the subtleties of effective flash usage. Not simply less use of flash due to high ISO low noise ambient shooting...and the ones who are left think they don't need to use flash.

Who is the "one person"? Which different forum?
The last sentence is one reason- The ones left don't think they need flash because of high ISO low noise ambient [LIght] shooting.

Bottom feeder "wanna-be" pros are also competing against the guests sharing their cell-phone pictures, in my opinion.

Capn Jack wrote in post #19517063
Who is the "one person"? Which different forum?

Out of courtesy for this forum's operator and the moderators that assist, I am refraining from steering others to a competing forum.

Wilt wrote in post #19517069
Out of courtesy for this forum's operator and the moderators that assist, I am refraining from steering others to a competing forum.

That's a really weak reason for not citing something. I'd like to know because some people tell half-truths or outright lies to promote their own agenda. It is also good to give someone credit for their insight.

I post threads here on Fred Miranda and vice versa. Not really an issue that I can see. It doesn’t really take any revenue from pekka does it? POTN doesn’t really compete with other forums.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19517090
I post threads here on Fred Miranda and vice versa. Not really an issue that I can see. It doesn’t really take any revenue from pekka does it? POTN doesn’t really compete with other forums.

Do any of the forums actually compete with one another?

I check here, DPReview, Fred Miranda, Petapixel, FStoppers, a couple of others from time to time.

I'd check periodically with any good forum. It's not as though it's costing me any appreciable money.

OK, so folks don't think mentioning the thread from a different forum is an issue.
The forum is Photorio, and the thread is about not having pro participation on Photrio any more.

That discussion triggered a thought of my own, that the 'pro' participation decline also was perhaps related to fewer amateurs wanting to shoot weddings, whether as a favor or as an income opportunite...therefor​e initiating fewer inquiries into some of the techniques and refinement of some of the concepts around flash usage. Fewer folks with interest in acquiring some of the requisite skills to use flash more effectively -- for a variety of underlying reasons.

Yes, back in the 2010-2014 period there was certainly a lot of GWC talk and I haven't heard anything along those lines lately. Then again, there's hardly discussion of anything now.

Wilt wrote in post #19517143
OK, so folks don't think mentioning the thread from a different forum is an issue.
The forum is Photorio, and the thread is about not having pro participation on Photrio any more.

That discussion triggered a thought of my own, that the 'pro' participation decline also was perhaps related to fewer amateurs wanting to shoot weddings, whether as a favor or as an income opportunite...therefor​e initiating fewer inquiries into some of the techniques and refinement of some of the concepts around flash usage. Fewer folks with interest in acquiring some of the requisite skills to use flash more effectively -- for a variety of underlying reasons.

The post that triggered the comments are exactly the same as saying one won't cite articles from Nature or other journals because they compete with Science, but will use the material anyway.

Good grief, that rant yet again! Your point has been made. Others may or may not have same issue. But give it a rest, please, chronically expressing your displeasure (for years, now) isn't going to change things 100%! You will save yourself personal turnoil and angst by simply letting it go, rather than following me to look for every incidence and raising issue over and over.

Wilt wrote in post #19517308
Good grief, that rant yet again! Your point has been made. Others may or may not have same issue. But give it a rest, please, chronically expressing your displeasure (for years, now) isn't going to change things 100%! You will save yourself personal turnoil and angst by simply letting it go, rather than following me to look for every incidence and raising issue over and over.

What rant? You seem more upset.

Wilt wrote in post #19516996
A discussion on a different forum unearthed another reason for less discussion of flash...
15 years ago there were many folks with a digital camera wanting to be able to make some money with their camera, by shooting weddings. It is now noticed by one person that there are far fewer such folks looking to make a buck, so far fewer folks now asking questions about using flash...fewer pro-wannabe folks needing to bolster their knowledge. The 'wannabe-pro' population has shrunk, leading to less folks inquisitive about the subtleties of effective flash usage. Not simply less use of flash due to high ISO low noise ambient shooting...and the ones who are left think they don't need to use flash.

Which lead to “I am an Ambient Light Photographer”…..
and our answer was…. You don’t know how to use Flash…..