So. I finally got my mother from XP to 10.

She resisted the move to 7, as it would have erased her history
in the FreeCell card game.

But since she hasn't been able to do online banking and such
due to the outdated OS, I finally convinced her to Windows 10.

It's gone well, with an SSD to speed everything up.

However, I didn't save everything on my thumb drive or laptop drive
afterwards, so I'm heading there tomorrow to pull her pictures
and documents from an IDE drive. Old hardware, old devices,
but at least I have an external enclosure to do IDE to USB.

Boot instructions saved to the old IDE drive, so I was there
a week ago to get rid of that and resinstall. All's well there,
but nothing to put back, which is why I'm going back.

The wife and I will hit the Little River casino while there, so hopefully
it'll be a profitable journey. Wish us luck.

And now Microsoft releases Windows 11...the end of Windows 10 will be coming! We already know it would no longer support the software as of Oct. 14, 2025.
I already know my laptop that I use for most POTN surfing will NOT support Windows 11. Likely that your mother will have that same upgrade path blocked.

Nope. I've confirmed that my previous setup will take 11,
even if it means fudging a registry setting.
It's a Gen3 i7 3770K.

My laptop with a Generation 4 Core i7 Intel will also accept it.

No word yet on whether those sytems will receive regular updates,
but it's looking good so far.

A Gen 3 i7 is NOT a processor that works; not Gen 4. Per Microsoft, you need at least a Gen 8 processor, and you cannot 'cheat' things to make them work, as it requires TPM... Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0. Microsoft announced its Windows 11 minimum hardware requirements in June, and made it clear that only Intel 8th Gen and beyond CPUs were officially supported.
a restriction to install the OS will only be enforced when you try to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11 free in 2022 through Windows Update.

An article says anyone with a PC with an older CPU that doesn’t officially pass the upgrade test can still go ahead and download an ISO file of Windows 11 and install the OS manually. It fails to address mandatory TPM v2.0, which is not supported in earlier processors, though.

"What CPUs can run Windows 11?
Only chips from Intel's 8th generation or newer will be compatible with Windows 11. Think mid-2017 onward."

I use an IBM Thinkpad T540P with Core i5 4200, and it fails the Microsoft compatabililty check.

It seemed Craig was indicating that he was going to circumvent the Windows 11 check with a registry hack. I'd caution against that. I've seen reviews of the current Windows 11, and there's still issues with certain hardware drivers. I'm guessing you could run into all sorts of issues with an older computer: Windows 11 appears to not just be some incremental upgrade if new hardware drivers are needed.

Wilt wrote in post #19300230
A Gen 3 i7 is NOT a processor that works; not Gen 4. Per Microsoft, you need at least a Gen 8 processor, and you cannot 'cheat' things to make them work, as it requires TPM... Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0. Microsoft announced its Windows 11 minimum hardware requirements in June, and made it clear that only Intel 8th Gen and beyond CPUs were officially supported.
a restriction to install the OS will only be enforced when you try to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11 free in 2022 through Windows Update.

An article says anyone with a PC with an older CPU that doesn’t officially pass the upgrade test can still go ahead and download an ISO file of Windows 11 and install the OS manually. It fails to address mandatory TPM v2.0, which is not supported in earlier processors, though.

"What CPUs can run Windows 11?
Only chips from Intel's 8th generation or newer will be compatible with Windows 11. Think mid-2017 onward."

I use an IBM Thinkpad T540P with Core i5 4200, and it fails the Microsoft compatabililty check.

NOT true; Microsoft itself has published information to let Win11 install and run on 'non-compliant' systems.
Reports so far say that the updates keep coming in.
So unless you have specific information related to processors which "will not work,"
I'd strongly suggest you read up about it.

My desktop is now fully supported, while the laptop can be fudged,
per Microsoft's own published information. The laptop has TPM 1.2, which is the minimum level of TPM
supported, while a Core i7-4810MQ can certainly pass the requirements for a standard resource check.
Per Microsoft, I can fully move to Windows 11 if I wish, and they've even published information
about how I can do so, which very positively negates your naysaying of the possibility.

I would respectfully request you to put all of the above into your pipe before you smoke it,
and leave the rest of us alone to do what we are already familiar with.
Maybe you haven't dealt with this stuff for a lot of years, but I sure have.
Win3.11 to Win95, to Win98, to Win2000, to WinXP, to 7, then 10.

You continually talk down to me when I may know more about Windows systems than you,
and you continually downplay my experience. I don't appreciate that.

Craig bought a power adaptor from me, for what in the day was a very high end CAD/3D animation mobile workstation from Dell. I can attest he knows PC computers. Wilt has good intentions, but can field too much from the internet and not experience.

Coincidentally, I had Windows 11 on my current PC laptop for a few minutes. Today was a rough day for me workwise. I've been using my MacBook for software development at work. Suddenly, I couldn't get the environment to work on my Mac. Many trials and errors, still couldn't get an environment to show up on my browser. I decided to try it on my gaming PC laptop. After doing a few things gleened from my co-workers, I eventually got it to run on my PC. Trying similar steps on the Mac, still couldn't get it to work. Figured what the heck with Mac....since it wasn't working anyway, upgraded it to the latest OS: Monterey. It wound up having more problems with trying to start the environment.

In order to get the PC to be a work computer, I'd have to have MS Teams running and will also install PHPStorm. Since Windows 11 touts Teams integration....I thought maybe going to Windows 11 on it would be more productive. So I spent the time with going through the upgrade process. Afterwards, I tried running the environment, and it hung at the same spot as Mac Monterey does. Also, Teams on 11 only supports personal accounts and not Enterprise accounts. At least Windows makes it easy to revert back to the previous OS. So I'm back on Windows 10 for my software development, games, and internet downloads...and I installed MS Teams and can sign in with Enterprise account.

For the brief period I was on Windows 11, I could see how the interface is being influenced by Mac. If you're an advanced user, you'll find more differences under the hood...but from the user standpoint, the two systems are continually becoming more alike.

SkedAddled wrote in post #19300522
NOT true; Microsoft itself has published information to let Win11 install and run on 'non-compliant' systems.
Reports so far say that the updates keep coming in.
So unless you have specific information related to processors which "will not work,"
I'd strongly suggest you read up about it.

My desktop is now fully supported, while the laptop can be fudged,
per Microsoft's own published information. The laptop has TPM 1.2, which is the minimum level of TPM
supported, while a Core i7-4810MQ can certainly pass the requirements for a standard resource check.
Per Microsoft, I can fully move to Windows 11 if I wish, and they've even published information
about how I can do so, which very positively negates your naysaying of the possibility.

I would respectfully request you to put all of the above into your pipe before you smoke it,
and leave the rest of us alone to do what we are already familiar with.
Maybe you haven't dealt with this stuff for a lot of years, but I sure have.
Win3.11 to Win95, to Win98, to Win2000, to WinXP, to 7, then 10.

You continually talk down to me when I may know more about Windows systems than you,
and you continually downplay my experience. I don't appreciate that.

I quoted the Microsoft web site information. I am not attempting to be smarter than what they publish. When someone proves that information to be wrong, I will believe the new information.

This is what the compatability test just now told me (Lenovo T540P with Intel Core i7-4600M 2.50 GHz Processor and TPM v1.2

Wilt, I apologize if I came across as being harsh and overly-critical in my last post,
while you do seem to disparage others not of your mindset.

The simple truth is that Microsoft has published ways to install Win11 on systems which
do not fully meet the official requirements. TPM 1.2, and not the TPM 2.0,
is a hard-coded requirement, as is SecureBoot and UEFI BIOS.

The systems I mentioned for my own update potential include a newly-built Core i7-10700K system,
along with the Core 17-4810MQ mobile system that Dave mentioned. The desktop will take Win11 fine
when/if I want it to, and the laptop will take it, as shown by Microsoft's own published documentation.
As it includes the bare minimum of TPM 1.2, it is confirmed as eligible in a roundabout way.
Reports in the wild also confirm that such installations ARE, in fact, receiving updates,
so I'm not yet overly concerned about the whole scenario.

My mother's system, hovever, will decidedly NOT be eligible, unless I build her
a new system. She really doesn't care anyway, as she's 79 years old.
But she's said that if she lives beyond 85, she may change her mind.
And keep in mind that mom stayed with XP for years after I went to Win10.

SkedAddled wrote in post #19300882
Wilt, I apologize if I came across as being harsh and overly-critical in my last post,
while you do seem to disparage others not of your mindset.

The simple truth is that Microsoft has published ways to install Win11 on systems which
do not fully meet the official requirements. TPM 1.2, and not the TPM 2.0,
is a hard-coded requirement, as is SecureBoot and UEFI BIOS.

The systems I mentioned for my own update potential include a newly-built Core i7-10700K system,
along with the Core 17-4810MQ mobile system that Dave mentioned. The desktop will take Win11 fine
when/if I want it to, and the laptop will take it, as shown by Microsoft's own published documentation.
As it includes the bare minimum of TPM 1.2, it is confirmed as eligible in a roundabout way.
Reports in the wild also confirm that such installations ARE, in fact, receiving updates,
so I'm not yet overly concerned about the whole scenario.

My mother's system, hovever, will decidedly NOT be eligible, unless I build her
a new system. She really doesn't care anyway, as she's 79 years old.
But she's said that if she lives beyond 85, she may change her mind.
And keep in mind that mom stayed with XP for years after I went to Win10.

I am sorry you mistook my post for 'disparaging'...I was merely expressing the apparent predicament to anyone who thought their PC could be upgraded to Windows 11, even though it has a processor only 4 years old (like I seem to be facing with my current laptop).

BTW, I have been in personal computing since the original IBM PC. I have lived thru DOS, and the first version of Windows, built my own PCs for about 20 years, before it was easier and not much different in price to buy pre-built units, and migrated thru Windows 1, 2, 3, Win95, 2000, XP, Win7, Win10. I have never run into obsolescence forced by OS upgrade until Win11; previously I decided to retire processors, not be forced into it.

I've done the same things and been involved with much the same as you, Wilt, all the way back to DOS 5.0.
I've got countless licenses for Win95 and Win98 from when they were shipped with corporate PC
purchases, have slipstreamed WinXP Corporate into standard XP installations, have abandoned Vista
due to an unrecoverable boot-loop, and tweaked Win 10 more than most people know how to.

I will officially offer you an olive branch, if you'll accept it.Sounds like we've both been in the depths.

SkedAddled wrote in post #19300900
I've done the same things and been involved with much the same as you, Wilt, all the way back to DOS 5.0.
I've got countless licenses for Win95 and Win98 from when they were shipped with corporate PC
purchases, have slipstreamed WinXP Corporate into standard XP installations, have abandoned Vista
due to an unrecoverable boot-loop, and tweaked Win 10 more than most people know how to.

I will officially offer you an olive branch, if you'll accept it.Sounds like we've both been in the depths.

Peace branch accepted. My start with IBM PC was DOS 1.0, and I added the first harddrive (5MB) to it.

I came a bit late to your show, while DOS 5 wasn't so long after your appearance.
Yes, IBM-branded PCs factored into my equation, and I still hate those clickety-clack keyboards.

I was servicing Apple and HP LaserJet laser printers before they were common,
as well as HP plotters. It was commonplace for me to rebuild laser printer fuser assemblies.

I missed being in the Ford Rouge Steel furnace explosion due to a previous service call
going past the expected time. Had I been 15 minutes earlier from that call, I may have died in the explosion.
Ford Rail Servicces and the rest of FoMoCo were quiet and reserved about the event,
but you knew they were all shaken by the event, as was I.
I was expected to replace a DELL 3.5-inch floppy drive in that incident.
Needless to say, the floppy drive never was replaced, as it was in a PC which was destroyed
in the Rouge Plant(now Eagle Steel) explosion.

When I headed to Eagle drive that day, emergency vehicles blocked the road.
I looked up, saw the smoke, then tuned the radio to news and heard about it.
I almost quit my job that very day.

davesrose wrote in post #19300549
Craig bought a power adaptor from me, for what in the day was a very high end CAD/3D animation mobile workstation from Dell. I can attest he knows PC computers. Wilt has good intentions, but can field too much from the internet and not experience.

Coincidentally, I had Windows 11 on my current PC laptop for a few minutes. Today was a rough day for me workwise. I've been using my MacBook for software development at work. Suddenly, I couldn't get the environment to work on my Mac...

I had the same experience when I purchased an ASUS laptop as a refurbished unit,
with Windows 8-something installed on it. I tried to give it a decent shot,
and I tried to like it, but after about 45 minutes I said "HELL, no!"
to that deplorable OS and fudged a USB drive to install 7.
It's a superthin and light machine, but it's really not upgradeable beyond the HDD,
which was updated to a 500GB SSD. I can't even update the memory.
My wife is the owner of that machine, which has benefitted significantly
from an SSD replacement, while the machine overall is slow.
Celeron 2-core something, slower than dirt compared to my desktop
and laptop systems, poor video, memory options locked out...
It does fine for the wife's use, but would certainly leave me wanting now.
It served me very well when I first got it, though.

davesrose wrote in post #19300549
Craig bought a power adaptor from me, for what in the day was a very high end CAD/3D animation mobile workstation from Dell. I can attest he knows PC computers. Wilt has good intentions, but can field too much from the internet and not experience..

I must apologize for my inexperience. I only have been in personal computing since 1984, only since the original IBM PC. I have lived thru DOS, and the first version of Windows, built my own PCs for about 20 years, before it was easier and not much different in price to buy pre-built units, and migrated thru Windows 1, 2, 3, Win95, 2000, XP, Win7, Win10. And I have been professionally involved with Apollo computer workstations and a IBM customized IBM-AT spinoff for CAD/CAM systems before Autodesk existed and even before IBM had launched the IBM AT. I am admittedly short on experience.