When is Canon going to eliminate need for mechanical shutter to trigger electronic flash?

A friend alerted me to the fact that Nkon Z9 has overcome the issue...

"Nikon z9 Innovations and Tech Specs
This is one of the first cameras designed for photographers to not have a mechanical shutter. Instead, it has a fully electronic shutter that can do flash sync and all."

Canon eliminated the need decades ago.
The continued use of a shutter has nothing to do with flash triggering, it's been to do with sensor read times vs exposure times as resolution has increased.

Moppie wrote in post #19300605
Canon eliminated the need decades ago.
The continued use of a shutter has nothing to do with flash triggering, it's been to do with sensor read times vs exposure times as resolution has increased.

But why does the R5 and R6 still require the mechanical shutter for triggering electronic flash...if the main reason is sensor read times vs exposure read times? Exposure shortness is highest with electronic shutter, frame rates are highest with electronic shutter...why not electronic flash triggering?

Wilt wrote in post #19300719
But why does the R5 and R6 still require the mechanical shutter for triggering electronic flash...if the main reason is sensor read times vs exposure read times? Exposure shortness is highest with electronic shutter, frame rates are highest with electronic shutter...why not electronic flash triggering?

Canon is Lazy. They wont put innovative technology in their cameras until they have to. Now that Nikon had it on the new release, Canons flagship will get released and/or announced.....it will be on the new releases.... or some version close to what Nikon just did......Its called leap frog with the technology...been going on since digital came into the picture

umphotography wrote in post #19300726
Canon is Lazy. They wont put innovative technology in their cameras until they have to. Now that Nikon had it on the new release, Canons flagship will get released and/or announced.....it will be on the new releases.... or some version close to what Nikon just did......Its called leap frog with the technology...been going on since digital came into the picture

Not lazy, they just don't do stuff until they feel they need to. Canon was first with fully electronic aperture lenses, first ultrasonic AF motors, first Image stabilized lenses, first use of Fresnel elements to make smaller, lighter lenses and first with eye control AF.
I am sure Canon is working on a R1 flagship camera that will impress everyone.

umphotography wrote in post #19300726
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Canon is Lazy. They wont put innovative technology in their cameras until they have to.
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Canonuser123 wrote in post #19300769
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Not lazy, they just don't do stuff until they feel they need to.
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I agree that Canon is not lazy at all. . I think that all product feature decisions are based on how to maximize their profit. . They only put the R&D into something once they know for sure that it will result in increased profits, and that sales of the item with the new features won't cannibalize sales of the older, less capable models.

I think Canon is smart that way. . They get people to buy the less capable models, and then they finally release the model with the improvement ..... which forces some people who just bought the old model to then also have to buy the new model, because of the feature that they held back for so long. . They know how to suck the most money out of their customer base - and that is what keeps their stockholders happy.


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Sounds like a feature for the R1, if/when it ever comes out.

I have started making timelapse videos, and record everything in RAW to ensure that I have maximum dynamic range available. I considered getting some form of mirrorless camera with an electronic shutter. Be that Canon, or some other make. I then found out that of course the electronic shutter options of most of the second hand cameras that would be available in my price range had speed limitations. Seems that it's only the higher shutter speeds that the electronic shutter option works at. So where I might want to run a timelapse through dawn or dusk, well no electronic shutter options at those slow speeds. When you might be shooting 3600 frames an hour, to make one minute of video, it would be nice to not have to use a mechanical shutter.

Alan

It's correct that they already have, but not decades ago. The R3 is the first EOS to provide full flash triggering also with electronic shutter. Technical data quote from Canon Europe:

X-Sync: 1/200sec mechanical shutter / 1/250th electronic 1st curtain, 1/180sec electronic shutter
They also claim the electronic shutter to go all the way down to 30 seconds. In the other end, it's much faster than the mechanical one.

In the earlier days it was simply so, that the movement of the mechanical shutter also controlled the sync switch.

1/64000 is pretty cool, I would love to test that out with a very fast prime in broad daylight, like the 85L. Even ISO 50 wasn't enough back in the day when I would shoot with that lens at midday sun. I always had to shut the aperture down which was defeating the purpose of why I was using the lens.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #19300773
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I agree that Canon is not lazy at all. . I think that all product feature decisions are based on how to maximize their profit. . They only put the R&D into something once they know for sure that it will result in increased profits, and that sales of the item with the new features won't cannibalize sales of the older, less capable models.

I think Canon is smart that way. . They get people to buy the less capable models, and then they finally release the model with the improvement ..... which forces some people who just bought the old model to then also have to buy the new model, because of the feature that they held back for so long. . They know how to suck the most money out of their customer base - and that is what keeps their stockholders happy.

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I agree with you, except that they may do the R&D ahead of time, and only implement it once they know for sure that it will improve profits.