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Dec 07, 2021 20:27 as a reply to  @ post 19315868 |  #16

Thanks.

Darn gyms/bleachers are not always what you would choose for a background...

The teams used to have a lady who did their team photos who was a teacher at the HS but she moved to a different job and the coaches were left hanging. Apparently the administration just said "take a cell phone picture"....

Anyway, my daughter was a graduate last year and a 4 year member of the XC and track teams and I took photos of meets for her and her friends, so they reached out to me, sort of last minute. My first time doing shots like this.




  
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Dec 08, 2021 11:41 |  #17

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It isn't hard to reset the white balance if you have the raw files, that yellow tint is easily removed, but I don't think the WB is all that off though. This is my attempt using the JPG above, but it would be easier with the raw, so this isn't perfect.


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What a big difference! . Huge iumprovement.


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Dec 08, 2021 11:51 |  #18

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I went back to the original and clicked on 3:2 crop. Does this look better?
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It's better, as of course you will always want to use a 3:2 aspect ratio if the final print is going to be 30 by 20.

But it is a bit too tight on the bottom.

There is some unnecessary space at the top, yet the bottom is crowded right near the edge of the frame. . Aesthetic issues may arise if the print is put into a frame, and the frame or mat overlaps the print a bit, as that could cause the important subject matter at the bottom to be slightly cut off. . When you have a little "extra" space at the top of the frame, why crop so tightly at the bottom of the frame? . We should always leave a bit of extra margin around the edges of the image, to allow for mat or frame overlay, as well as a bit of visual relief. .When subject matter is unnecessarily close to the edge of the frame, it creates a distraction that is unpleasant to the eyes.

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Dec 08, 2021 14:13 |  #19

If you see the bleacher cutouts on the bottom step, those just about define a 3x2 aspect ratio and still gets all the students into the shot. That crop would look pretty close to the following. Just use a cropping tool and set the parameters to get that 30x20 (3x2)....

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Dec 08, 2021 15:08 as a reply to  @ Tom Reichner's post |  #20

Good points, thanks for the tips. I should have "centered" it better, I can see that now.




  
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Dec 08, 2021 15:09 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #21

Photos has a cropping tool to set to a specific ratio, so I will do that.




  
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Dec 08, 2021 15:18 |  #22

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Good points, thanks for the tips. I should have "centered" it better, I can see that now.

That bottom board could easily be edited in PS or any editor with layers / mask.




  
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Dec 08, 2021 15:21 |  #23

Do you know if this is going to be matted in a frame, or just framed with no matte (mat? -?)?
Reason I ask is because if this is going into a standalone frame, you might consider leaving some space around the edges, particularly the bottom edge, if you have it available.


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Dec 08, 2021 15:33 |  #24

I believe that they are in a frame with no matte, like a poster type deal

Here is a Power point edited photo that one of the coaches sent me of how they would like it to look


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Dec 08, 2021 15:49 |  #25

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Very nice presentation!


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Dec 08, 2021 16:10 |  #26

These usually are printed and put up in the sports hallways at schools, or put into a display case. Sometimes too, they are added to the yearbook.

Just another warning then. If they want you to add that black border at the bottom with names, that changes your crop yet again. You will want to add that section and the names first, then crop for the 3:2 ratio, IMO. Since that now adds to the photo height, it will cause your photo crop to be longer as well.

I suggest in the future for group shots that it is more post processing friendly to shoot more loosely (ie. wider) to give you more cropping capabilities for things like this. :)

I had to shoot this quite wide, then I cropped as needed for borders, etc as an example. This was very challenging, the winds were gusting at about 20mph, and we had to wait for the short times of no wind, and then I would raise my hand and rattle off bursts. It took several bursts to get one or two good ones. This was the best shadowed area around the park too, trying to keep the sun off the faces. Didn't do very well... ugh! :(

Group shots are very challenging, I think yours turned out quite well, with the only real complication being that team roster at the bottom.

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Dec 08, 2021 18:51 |  #27

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I suggest in the future for group shots that it is more post processing friendly to shoot more loosely (ie. wider) to give you more cropping capabilities for things like this. :)

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Excellent suggestion, Cary!

Shooting more widely not only allows for good composition when cropping to a variety of aspect ratios, but it accomplishes something else. . It produces less perspective distortion.

In Duckster's image, notice how the heads of the kids in the front row appear to be so much huger than those of the kids in the back row. . Shooting a bit wider will help to negate this perspective distortion. . Also, shooting from further away, with a lens of longer focal length, will also help to correct this problem.


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Dec 08, 2021 20:41 as a reply to  @ Tom Reichner's post |  #28

I had thought of shooting with a longer lens, from farther back but my only lighting is a Godox 350 speed light and I didn't think it had enough power to get too far back with say a 70-200 or 85mm




  
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Dec 10, 2021 07:34 |  #29

Why reduce the printing resolution? Why not let the printing software resize the image? All this assumes that you are printing yourself. If you are, note that the relevant setting is often "dpi", not "ppi", but it's ppi in the Lightroom print module. In general, the best results are obtained by setting this at the native resolution of the printer. I suspect that the results would be better than decreasing the resolution. And it's not like people will be pixel peeping, so I suspect the results will be more than adequate.

Another option instead of standard resizing (or to use first) if you use Adobe products is to start with "Super Resolution" in the enhance context menu. In my experience, it doesn't always help, but it sometimes helps quite a bit. I was recently sent a JPEG taken at a race that was only 147 KB (!) and asked if I could make 8 x 10 prints. Using super resolution, I was able to make entirely acceptable 8 x 10 prints--not something I would exhibit in a show, but good enough that the recipient was delighted with them and framed them.

I don't know if it's still up, but Smugmug used to have a page describing the practical minimum file sizes for various sizes of prints.

On the other hand, if you're sending this to a lab, none of this (including the ppi setting) matters because there is actually no ppi setting in an exported JPEG file. Many labs will simply tell you to send them the biggest file you can and let them deal with resizing. If you're doing that, I would see whether super resolution helps. if so, convert the results to JPEG and send that in. Otherwise, just send the largest JPEG you can--that is, export at maximum quality.


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Dec 10, 2021 09:41 as a reply to  @ paddler4's post |  #30

Thanks for the information. I am not doing the printing, the school has someone that they use, I sent the full uncropped file to them but have not yet seen any feedback.




  
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