An online petition asking Adobe to sell Camera Raw alone

yb98 wrote in post #19318555
If you are interested in buying Camera Raw without having to subscribe monthly to photoshop or LR please sign the following petition and share it : https://chng.it/RM9KD6​szSQ

Thanks.

What would be the business advantage for Adobe to do this? If they don't see a significant advantage they won't waste their time. Even if they do see an advantage they would likely distribute it on a subscription basis.

mwsilver wrote in post #19320754
What would be the business advantage for Adobe to do this? If they don't see a significant advantage they won't waste their time. Even if they do see an advantage they would likely distribute it on a subscription basis.

For the same business advantage they sell Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements without a subscription basis.

yb98 wrote in post #19320866
For the same business advantage they sell Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements without a subscription basis.

I believe those products are aimed at a completely different audience than a download of a standalone version of ACR would be. They are also complete tools which stand on their own. A separate download for ACR would be used in conjunction with other software. It's a completely different product category. In addition, Adobe already markets Lightroom as a discrete product, which at its core is ACR. I just don't see your suggestion ever happening.

yb98 wrote in post #19320866
For the same business advantage they sell Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements without a subscription basis.

Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements don't compete with the full fledged subscription programs offered by Adobe. They're a lower cost option for customers who would purchase other software rather than buy a subscription. They don't cut into Adobe's revenue, they add to it. Offering ACR alone would cut into Adobe's subscription model and reduce revenue. Plus you're still forgetting that ACR is a plugin that requires the components of Photoshop or Lightroom in order to work. It can be opened with Bridge but it still uses elements of those other programs to function. ACR cannot run just with Bridge. That's why ACR is limited in PS Elements and not in Photoshop.

Dave3222 wrote in post #19320999
Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements don't compete with the full fledged subscription programs offered by Adobe. They're a lower cost option for customers who would purchase other software rather than buy a subscription. They don't cut into Adobe's revenue, they add to it. Offering ACR alone would cut into Adobe's subscription model and reduce revenue. Plus you're still forgetting that ACR is a plugin that requires the components of Photoshop or Lightroom in order to work. It can be opened with Bridge but it still uses elements of those other programs to function. ACR cannot run just with Bridge. That's why ACR is limited in PS Elements and not in Photoshop.

Have you read this : https://www.photoshope​ssentials.com …w-in-bridge-vs-photoshop/

I posted it before.

Yes and that is one of the ways I use ACR through Bridge. However, the author also stated that he did have Photoshop installed on his computer. If you think you only need Bridge to use ACR then why the petition? Bridge and ACR are available to download free. Download both, install, and prove me wrong.

Dave3222 wrote in post #19321056
Yes and that is one of the ways I use ACR through Bridge. However, the author also stated that he did have Photoshop installed on his computer. If you think you only need Bridge to use ACR then why the petition? Bridge and ACR are available to download free. Download both, install, and prove me wrong.

The reason could be just because adobe check that you have a valid subscription licence for PS or LR and not necessarily for technical reasons. Indeed I cannot start the light version of ACR from bridge but it starts from PS Elements. So in this case it is obviously that Adobe doesn't consider PSE as a valid subscription licence.

yb98 wrote in post #19321074
The reason could be just because adobe check that you have a valid subscription licence for PS or LR and not necessarily for technical reasons. Indeed I cannot start the light version of ACR from bridge but it starts from PS Elements. So in this case it is obviously that Adobe doesn't consider PSE as a valid subscription licence.

That is incorrect. ACR is a plugin that requires another application in order to run. Adobe Camera Raw can be launched through Bridge but still uses the Photoshop application to run. Try to install ACR without Photoshop or Lightroom. It can't be done. Bridge is not a host application.

Dave3222 wrote in post #19321077
That is incorrect. ACR is a plugin that requires another application in order to run. Adobe Camera Raw can be launched through Bridge but still uses the Photoshop application to run. Try to install ACR without Photoshop or Lightroom. It can't be done. Bridge is not a host application.

I agree that ACR is a plugin that needs another host application.
But why Bridge cannot be this application ?
If ACR needs some functions from PS, I guess it's always possible to make them available through some library or dll files.

At least ACR runs with Photoshop Element. But they have hidden (in ACR) some functions such as detecting subjects or skies (which are still available by the way inside PSE). So I think it's just for "commercial" reasons else they would have not hidden some functions from the ACR that is available with PSE.

yb98 wrote in post #19321128
I agree that ACR is a plugin that needs another host application.
But why Bridge cannot be this application ?
If ACR needs some functions from PS, I guess it's always possible to make them available through some library or dll files.

At least ACR runs with Photoshop Element. But they have hidden (in ACR) some functions such as detecting subjects or skies (which are still available by the way inside PSE). So I think it's just for "commercial" reasons else they would have not hidden some functions from the ACR that is available with PSE.

Bridge is nothing more than an image browser. Adobe allows other Adobe software to be summoned for use through Bridge. When you are using Camera Raw in Bridge, it is utilizing the Photoshop application but not actually opening it. Bridge has no editing software in its root application. Only Photoshop and Lightroom do.

Dave3222 wrote in post #19321132
Bridge is nothing more than an image browser. Adobe allows other Adobe software to be summoned for use through Bridge. When you are using Camera Raw in Bridge, it is utilizing the Photoshop application but not actually opening it. Bridge has no editing software in its root application. Only Photoshop and Lightroom do.

ok ACR doesn't run under Bridge, but it runs under PS Element which is sold with a perpetual licence so ?

yb98 wrote in post #19321135
ok ACR doesn't run under Bridge, but it runs under PS Element which is sold with a perpetual licence so ?

So then purchase PS Elements and your problem is solved. I'm not sure what your point is. Limited ACR comes with Elements. Full ACR comes with Photoshop/Lightroom. Camera Raw features are determined by what application is installed on your computer.

Elements is a gateway drug. I learned photo editing on it. Still have it installed. Outgrew it in about 6 months and signed up for a Creative Cloud subscription. Best value in photography. Maybe the best value in software.

Adobe still bugs me to buy the latest Elements upgrade.

Dave3222 wrote in post #19321169
So then purchase PS Elements and your problem is solved. I'm not sure what your point is. Limited ACR comes with Elements. Full ACR comes with Photoshop/Lightroom. Camera Raw features are determined by what application is installed on your computer.

Already done. My point is that I want full ACR with perpetual licence not with monthly subscription. That's all.

drsilver wrote in post #19321173
Elements is a gateway drug. I learned photo editing on it. Still have it installed. Outgrew it in about 6 months and signed up for a Creative Cloud subscription. Best value in photography. Maybe the best value in software.

Adobe still bugs me to buy the latest Elements upgrade.

Topaz and DXO bug me to get updates. DXO really ramps that up each fall.