No more Canon DSLRs

bpalermini wrote in post #19421050
I'd guess that most people who think that OVF/DSLR are better than EVF/Mirrorless have not tried a current mirrorless camera.

I have been a photographer since about 1970, owned many Nikon and Hasselblad film cameras and switched to Canon digital in 2007. I now have a 5DIV and a R6 which is about 18 months old, which I sold a 1DX to buy. I rarely (almost never) pick up the 5DIV anymore. There is nothing it does better than the R6 except provide more pixels.

The R6 is the best camera I have ever owned. Battery life is not a problem in fact last Saturday I shot a local college football game. I got there at about 10:30 am and left around 2:30. I shot about 2,700 frames (about double what I wish I did) on one Canon battery.

The major camera companies have figured out mirrorless and I would never want to go back. Oh, and I use adapted lenses, which work better with my R6 than they did with my 5D cameras, so I have the entire Canon EF lens selection available to me.

Anyone looking for a 5DIV?

I've stopped shooting on a weekly basis for nearly a decade now. As utility has gone down so will my spacing out my upgrades.

My last EF body was a 2015 EOS 5Ds R which I sparingly use. If I were to upgrade it would be when the 2020 EOS R5 replacements comes out by 2024-2025.

I'd be persuaded to upgrade to an RF body today if Canon secretly designed RF L lenses to accommodate a Canon medium format camera. EF L(?) lenses that are longer than 35mm(?) can be adapted with medium format cameras.

R3 or R5 autofocus + imaging tech used in conjunction with a 100 megapixel medium format image sensor that has a crop factor of 0.79x is the dream.

Wilt wrote in post #19421036
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But actual figures do not support the big wave of mirrorless purchases!
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I never said, nor implied, that there is a "big wave" of mirrorless purchases. . I simply refuted the false statement that the ONLY people interested in mirrorless cameras are those who frequent photography forums. . I did this by stating that most photographers in the very small niche of professional and semi-professional wildlife photography have switched to mirrorless.

No need to get all exclamation pointy about it


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Tom Reichner wrote in post #19421152
I did this by stating that most photographers in the very small niche of professional and semi-professional wildlife photography have switched to mirrorless.

After watching this video I kinda understand why wildlife photogs bought into the R5 & R3

Sales numbers, preferences, hype, lenses* none of that matters.

All that matters is that none of these companies are developing any more DSLR.
As mentioned, it's not just Canon.

It's not that you can't go and get a DSLR, or use one, it's that the end of the road is right there in front of us.

You can still shoot film too. But film was at the end of the road by at least 2002/03. I'm sure someone can find a few odd exceptions, particularly in esoteric medium and large formats, but regardless how much some did not want to hear it, film SLR development essentially ended at a certain point.

We are now at that certain point with DSLR.


* particularly with EF working perfectly on RF. People have to stop insisting that the lenses available are only the ones labeled RF, it's those plus every EF lens mount in existence. Insisting that the situation is only a handful of RF lenses is intentionally ignoring the facts.

I still shoot reflex, but that's a 100% economic decision. My next ILC camera, if there is a next one, will certainly be mirrorless.

There is some comfort knowing I'm shooting with pinnacle technology at the moment. All the bugs have been found and fixed, all the inefficiencies removed. Everything works as intended and I know exactly what I have. No less, no more.

But it's frozen in time. Future improvements in the field's technology will not be applied to my hardware.

Just a few years ago it seemed like a lot of people were paying a lot of money to be allowed to beta test an infant technology. But that bet paid off. The concept has been proven. They removed the mirror box and the speed-of-light viewfinding it allowed and replaced it with an adequate digital approximation. Bravo.

The mirror box was a technological air gap. Removing it allowed an uninterrupted digital path, front to back. All problems are now software problems. New features can be rolled out on firmware. I can see that bringing prices of mirrorless way down. You might even see a market for 3rd-party plugins, or feature packs from manufacturers that come at an extra cost. You want no noise at ISO 256,000? Download it for $499. Way cheaper, and more versatile than a 50mm 1.2.

If mirrorless had never happened, there would be a 5D Mark V, and a bunch of us would have bought those. The R5 is the 5Dv and better than the 5Div. There's no reason to buy a new DSLR anymore as a general-purpose ILC camera.

bpalermini wrote in post #19421050
I'd guess that most people who think that OVF/DSLR are better than EVF/Mirrorless have not tried a current mirrorless camera.

I have been a photographer since about 1970, owned many Nikon and Hasselblad film cameras and switched to Canon digital in 2007. I now have a 5DIV and a R6 which is about 18 months old, which I sold a 1DX to buy. I rarely (almost never) pick up the 5DIV anymore. There is nothing it does better than the R6 except provide more pixels.

The R6 is the best camera I have ever owned. Battery life is not a problem in fact last Saturday I shot a local college football game. I got there at about 10:30 am and left around 2:30. I shot about 2,700 frames (about double what I wish I did) on one Canon battery.

The major camera companies have figured out mirrorless and I would never want to go back. Oh, and I use adapted lenses, which work better with my R6 than they did with my 5D cameras, so I have the entire Canon EF lens selection available to me.

Anyone looking for a 5DIV?

Spot AF on the 5D4 is also better than the R5/6, so it does two things better.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19421260
Spot AF on the 5D4 is also better than the R5/6, so it does two things better.

Spot AF is better on the 90D than the R7 too.

Spot focus better on the 5DIV, that may be true, I'm not sure. I don't use it very much if at all but I do know, most people, when they first use a R5/6 say that they are getting much higher percentages of photos in focus than they had experienced with a DSLR. Many will also say that EF lenses perform better on an R5/6 than they did on Canon DSLRs.

I'm not saying that there aren't things that can be improved in a R5/6, and maybe they have with a R3. But as I previously stated. My R6 is the overall best camera I have ever used.

The only people I have seen with cameras in couple of weeks or so were three young ones and one like me. All were with DSLRs. Dude like was exactly like me with red ring lens.

Here is no RF mount lens so far I would say - I really need it. I don't think Canon will release what I'm interested any time soon. Compact and reasonably wide. I doubt Canon will make 28 2.8 or 35 2.8 as small as Samyang AF 35mm f/2.8.
For cost cutting reasons Canon reintroduced old step motor. 50 1.8 and 35 1.8 RF are example of this crappy desing.
Canon is so moronically stumbled on RF line oddities, they would never release 40 2.8 in RF. Which makes perfect sense, but not for stumps at Canon headquarters.

I have no idea how long my GRD III will lasts. In fact most of the cameras of same age I have still working. Like same year Canon 500D. Why I have to replace it if it works?
I have original GRD as well from 2005. It also works Colors even more funky.

I have zero interest in bird and animals, btw. And I have funny feeling those who are wondering with DSLRs on Toronto streets as well. So far only few people I have seen with birding gear where hauling DSLRs with huge lens attached. The only person I know in real life who is trying to chaise bird is with DSLR. I was trying to tell him mirrorless is better for this, but he went with Canon DSLR. Young fella, btw.

So, DSLRs is not something which oldies only prefers. So far it is predominantly young ones who are raving about 5D and MKII these days.

Because birders and animalist are tiny group which is self-serving. Who really wants to see all of it in masses...

Once you call yourself as professional, you could write it off from taxes.

I did tried EVF and will look into 5D MKIV once my 5D MKII is not working anymore.

And, sorry, "I have been professional since 1970", "Hasselblad" doesn't really mean anything these days most of the time.
99% of those film era professionals went obsolete under mobile phones with camera.

And Canon Canada Ambassador is using MKIV still. She is highly promoted by Canon this year as well.

After some time here are my thoughts on the EF system within the context of the 2016 Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.

You have to ask yourself what does this related to me? Read along and look at the principals/framework I'm saying.

Not interested in a long read?

TL;DR:

- buy used dSLR body, lens or accessory that is still being sold today
- odds are if it is babied you can get it for ~50% off vs brand new price
- when you sell it 5-10 years from now you'll suffer less depreciation than buying it brand new
- as you're using this for non-$$$ making reasons then odds are the lack of warranty will not endanger your physiological needs.

==== Long Read ====

Prior to the price cut it was selling for $4,499.

Odds are production of any dSLR body, lens & accessory will end as early as 2024 (Olympics) or years later before year 2028. That is 10 years after RF & Z mount were announced.

That body will turn 7 years old by February. Its replacement will turn 3 years old by January.

The R3, the indirect replacement, that is within the price range of a 1-Series body is turning 1 year old this month.

Within 22 months expect an R1 with the RF 200/2.0, RF 300/2.8, RF 500/4.0 or RF 200-400/4.0 to be released for the Summer Olympics. R1 could be priced at $6.5k if the R3 will be repriced lower or up to $10k if they maintain the R3's MSRP.

If you have legacy EF L lenses then I would not bother waiting for the R1 as it would be much more handicapped when it comes to max continuous shooting speed than used with a R3 or R5. It appears to be a aperture motor's mechanical limit. I honestly would not complain about it as Canon's decision to put a limit is to reduce the possibility of mechanical failure by pushing the old lens beyond its design targets. A lens released in 1999 was never designed to have its aperture motor move at 30fps.

For a brand new EOS-1D X Mark II it is comparable to grey market pricing of the same SKU in other countries without sales tax, VAT or GST.

You may be better served buying used for <$2k that has <100k actuations that was previously owned by an enthusiast who babies their gear.

When you get fed up with it then you can sell it for <$1k. Last week I read that the 2009 1D Mark IV goes for ~$600? Keep the used EOS-1D X Mark II for 5 years and sell it for ~$600 in year 2029.

What I like about the 2016 EOS-1D X Mark II is that it is the last EF body to use CF cards. I wrongly bought many 128GB cards when price dropped to $100 back in 2015. I should have just stuck to the many 32GB cards I bought a decade ago.

dolina wrote in post #19421864
After some time here are my thoughts on the EF system within the context of the 2016 Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.

Your Canon EOS-1D link is not working

Fixed! Thanks!