Canon and future of DSLR's

Seems like they're killing off the 1D series and regular DSLR's aren't far behind according to this guy. See link.

https://www.youtube.co​m …el=Tony%26Chels​eaNorthrup

Shouldn't be any surprise, we have been saying no DSLRs for a while now.

What will there be, just mirrorless?

Yeah I read this under the photography news section. To be honest most the competitors are moving toward mirrorless anyway, I'm not suprised.

My opinion

The MFG's cannot make enough improvements for sensor technology to continue to sell DSLrs and remain profitable. So, they are forced to put new advancements with technology like Eye focus and object focus into a body that you have to purchase if you want to use that technology.

Canon decided to change the mount and incorporate all new technology into the new cameras. End of story

Canons top of the line DSLR's are very very good. The sensors on them are very very good. But if you want a camera that has the new features like auto eye focus and auto focus for objects like birds and cars....you are now forced to buy the new mirrorless cameras.

Keep in mind.....for sensor technology and improvements....there is virtually no difference in performance. We are talking about 1/2 - 3/4 stop improvement on the mirrorless sensors. Canons 1Dx3 and 5D4 sensors areas good as an R6/R5 for sensor performance. Maybe a 1/2 stop difference when you compare at the sensor size......20-23Mp and 30-45Mp.....not a hell of a lot there.

As for the glass. I think the RF glass is better.....but not by a lot unless you compare specific lens like the RF50

The RF85 v/s the 85 1.4......not a lot there.
But Canon will do things like adding IS to a RF24-70 v/s a EF 24-70

Some of the new technology is really good.....that doesnt mean the older technology is really bad

The DSLR is dead because canon and others cant stay in business and continue to market with DSLRs

Mirrorless forces photographers to buy into the new systems if they want to stay in the photography business...Nothing more

You can stay with DSLRs if you want. They won't be dead for many years.

You can also go with mirrorless. They are lighter and have eye focus.

I was still shooting film 16 years ago. But digital was becoming big. Digital was so new-fangled. I had to read up on it, and couldn't understand why they still had mirrors. A mirror reflex design is so complicated and surely isn't necessary when the sensor is there to show you the image.

Of course that has been realized now. Finally they dumped the mirror. DSLRs were a temporary kludge.

(I still have one, though.)

The timely, and remarkable advancement in Electronic View Finder technology, largely due to Sony, propelled the distinction of the SLR!---RIP

I believe this strikes at the root of the problem. Back in the film days of 1990s, camera sales volume was relatively low, even compared to today's shrunken market size. Along comes digital, and generation after generation of improvements in sensor and noise processing technology, then improvements to camera operational capabilities, causing photographers to buy then rebuy again and again, market churn and sales volume all prompted simply by the desire of the market for 'better' and creating artificial demand. Manufacturers' stock holders got used to the profit levels, and the manufacturers had to again create demand for newer product, to keep their bottom line up.

As an old school photographer who went for decades owning cameras that only focused when the photographer turned the focus ring and just focus with a center focus aid area, and which shot at no more than 2fps, I cannot say that I ever wish that my dSLR were faster to focus or shoot faster. The only thing I miss about the dSLR is its incredible bulk compared to my Olympus OM, it even makes my medium format kit not look so large after all. Am I willing to spend $2500 on an R6 when my current camera does just fine? I can't say my needs drive me to spend that. Are the new features nice, sure! But not essential for me. I can readily understand that depending upon the kind of photography that you usually do, the mirrorless can offer some very impelling reasons to upgrade. Focus at -6EV when the light is so low that you cannot handhold the camera, and even -3EV dimmer than the camera is capable of metering?!...not so much.

DSLRs will stay only until shutter replacements are available. This is not very long if you are not willing to use scrap yard parts.

The only compact FF mirrorless with eye focus and interchangeable lenses I'm aware of is Sony A7C with matching compact lenses available.
But it comes with odd colors rendering and with tiny, dark EVF.

Canon R cameras, except so-so RP, aren't really light and RF L lenses are just the same size as EF L lenses or much bigger. Here is no 40 2.8 pancake in RF and the only somewhat small lenses in entire RF line are 50 1.8 USM RF and odd ball 16 2.8 USM RF.
I know for some 35 1.8 RF USM is Macro is also somewhat small, but those are just clueless what small AF FF lens is.

Last thing Canon is interested in R, RF is the compactness. They have lied about possibility of compact lenses at initial R release , but it is well forgotten now.

Eye focus is way too overrated if you are taking picture of person, not just an eye. IMO.

Wilt wrote in post #19325387
I believe this strikes at the root of the problem. Back in the film days of 1990s, camera sales volume was relatively low, even compared to today's shrunken market size. Along comes digital, and generation after generation of improvements in sensor and noise processing technology, then improvements to camera operational capabilities, causing photographers to buy then rebuy again and again, market churn and sales volume all prompted simply by the desire of the market for 'better' and creating artificial demand. Manufacturers' stock holders got used to the profit levels, and the manufacturers had to again create demand for newer product, to keep their bottom line up.

As an old school photographer who went for decades owning cameras that only focused when the photographer turned the focus ring and just focus with a center focus aid area, and which shot at no more than 2fps, I cannot say that I ever wish that my dSLR were faster to focus or shoot faster. The only thing I miss about the dSLR is its incredible bulk compared to my Olympus OM, it even makes my medium format kit not look so large after all. Am I willing to spend $2500 on an R6 when my current camera does just fine? I can't say my needs drive me to spend that. Are the new features nice, sure! But not essential for me. I can readily understand that depending upon the kind of photography that you usually do, the mirrorless can offer some very impelling reasons to upgrade. Focus at -6EV when the light is so low that you cannot handhold the camera, and even -3EV dimmer than the camera is capable of metering?!...not so much.

Exactly this

As an old school film photographer, I thought I was done when things went digital. I barely knew how to work a computer, I knew nothing about photoshop and digital technology. I remember my first time shooting a Rebel. I could see the image in the back of that camera and Instantly knew what I needed to do to make a perfect image. So I asked my friend, Does this thing have a manual mode. He showed me how to get there and once I could control the 3 settings, I was getting great images and he was asking me about exposures and shutter speeds and panning.

The bar of entry was just lowered. You didnt need a light meter and you could control all settings and shoot at 1200 ISO. All i needed to learn was photoshop-----and you could see what the image was instantly and how to adjust instantly

Welcome to 2022....The bar of entry to photography has now been lowered again. You dont need to know how to focus or how to set up a camera to take action shots, BIF shots...or understand exposure or the photography triangle...The camera does it for you. Full auto on the camera with eye focus and you are ready to go. All you need to be able to do is to be willing to open the wallet and be willing to toss a credit card to the salesman....you are now a professional photographer. Its not going to be hard to add programming to these mirrorless cameras and have a sports mode> car or motorcycle> panning effect> freeze effect> make the selection you want and go shoot......Its going to be that simple. All the MFG's want to do is make the camera easier and for you to buy Expensive glass

We will never see another DSLR and good riddance. While some don't mind MFA I hated it and I'll never miss it. Even a properly MFA'd camera has variation between shots. Since I'll likely never see an R3 or R3 II, etc hopefully Canon will add the no blackout feature for the prosumer models some day. That would be the cats meow. While debating about the R5 I almost got the Sony A9II for the reason.

umphotography wrote in post #19325398
Exactly this

As an old school film photographer, I thought I was done when things went digital. I barely knew how to work a computer, I knew nothing about photoshop and digital technology. I remember my first time shooting a Rebel. I could see the image in the back of that camera and Instantly knew what I needed to do to make a perfect image. So I asked my friend, Does this thing have a manual mode. He showed me how to get there and once I could control the 3 settings, I was getting great images and he was asking me about exposures and shutter speeds and panning.

The bar of entry was just lowered. You didnt need a light meter and you could control all settings and shoot at 1200 ISO. All i needed to learn was photoshop-----and you could see what the image was instantly and how to adjust instantly

Welcome to 2022....The bar of entry to photography has now been lowered again. You dont need to know how to focus or how to set up a camera to take action shots, BIF shots...or understand exposure or the photography triangle...The camera does it for you. Full auto on the camera with eye focus and you are ready to go. All you need to be able to do is to be willing to open the wallet and be willing to toss a credit card to the salesman....you are now a professional photographer. Its not going to be hard to add programming to these mirrorless cameras and have a sports mode> car or motorcycle> panning effect> freeze effect> make the selection you want and go shoot......Its going to be that simple. All the MFG's want to do is make the camera easier and for you to buy Expensive glass

There were once days without AI Servo. This local caught a owl in flight coming towards him without AI Servo. I attended one of his presentations. They set up sticks in two columns at measured distances. They would tie a dead mouse to a fishing line. The assistant would real in the mouse and as the owl would fly between the columns and he got the shot. I'll take AI Servo.

https://churchillpolar​bears.org …-robert-taylor-passes-on/

Personally I think it is a little tougher to BIF with an ML. Using Face/Eye is more challenging as you need often a two step approach. Use one button (shutter) to prefocus with single point or zone AF to hone in on the bird and then switch to BBF to activate Face/Eye. With my DLSR's just using the BBF was enough. You still have to be diligent and move the camera with the subject but having multiple AF point is easier than using a single point.

Here is a good example of that technique in action. While Face/Eye AF makes it easier to get a higher keep rate you still have to work it. He uses Expansion AF to get the subject in focus first.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=LGrEWOZYgDw

digital paradise wrote in post #19325413
We will never see another DSLR and good riddance. While some don't mind MFA I hated it and I'll never miss it. Even a properly MFA'd camera has variation between shots. Since I'll likely never see an R3 or R3 II, etc hopefully Canon will add the no blackout feature for the prosumer models some day. That would be the cats meow. While debating about the R5 I almost got the Sony A9II for the reason.

So you assume we wont see lens calibration issues with Mirrorless. I would think again. I have see a few posts already about calibration issies and RF lens going back.

umphotography wrote in post #19325424
So you assume we wont see lens calibration issues with Mirrorless. I would think again. I have see a few posts already about calibration issues and RF lens going back.

It will be interesting to see how this issue develops. I can't immediately understand 'missed focus' with mirrorless, when the sensor image is what is used for accurate focus determination, unlike the AF sensor distance misposition in the base of the dSLR compared to sensor distance. So it will be interesting to learn if there is some fundamental reason that any missed focus occurs with mirrorless.

Some folks consider MFA an essential feature, yet I have never found missed focus to be occurring with any of the multiple dSLRs owned over the past 2 decades. That some folks have found issue is not necessarily a surprise that it occurs, but the potential for dSLR focus error is a fundamental issue inherent to AF sensor placement vs. image sensor distance. But why 'missed focus' ocurring in mirrorless, driving the need for MFA in mirrorless? Apparently the feature is provided in certain brands of mirrorless, but why is there any need?!