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Trying 120 in an old Kodak 3A Model B-4

 
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Jan 09, 2022 01:15 |  #1

I picked up a small 3D printer over the holiday break and thought I'd dive into a project I was considering over the past year.

I have a No. 3A Folding Pocket Kodak Model B-4 that used to belong to my grandfather. I shot a couple of rolls of VP 122 in it back in the 70's just to try it out, but I haven't used it since. The project I took on was to convert the camera to use 120 film, and I thought I'd share my progress in case someone else is interested in doing the same thing.

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Since 120 film isn't as wide as 122 I added two 21mm strips to help keep the 120 film flat:

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I then printed out my parts. One 120 take-up spool and four 122 to 120 adapters:

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Here's the camera with the film loaded before putting the back back on:

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I probably didn't need to but I covered up the little red window with some electrical tape since it won't see any numbers and reduced the chance of fogging the film. I put the Dyno lable on the back cover when I was a kid :-)

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Next step is to hope for some decent light and go shoot something. These should end up kind of "panoramic" which should be interesting. Because the vertical dimension of the 122 image is so large compared to 120 I'll likely only get around 6 images (maybe less). I also bought a roll of Kodak E100, but I'm going to predict that the results will be pretty bad.

I did find a video on Youtube indicating how many turns of the film advance knob are required: 11 full turns from the start line to the first frame and 4 full turns to get to each new frame should be close.

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Jan 09, 2022 07:16 |  #2

Hoping for the best outcome, and looking forward to seeing results.


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Jan 09, 2022 07:52 |  #3

Won't the number of turns change as the diameter of the exposed film increases?




  
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Jan 09, 2022 09:49 as a reply to  @ moose10101's post |  #4

Correct. I’m hoping 4 is good between the first and second frames and the distance between will then grow for subsequent frames.

I want to keep this simple at first, even if it means I waste a frame.


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Jan 10, 2022 22:23 |  #5

Terry McDaniel wrote in post #19328515 (external link)
Hoping for the best outcome, and looking forward to seeing results.

Thanks Terry.

The weather is starting to get a bit better (went through an endless period of -35C type temperatures) so hopefully I can get outside this week to try it out and get the roll developed. Nothing too exciting to shoot around the neighborhood this time of year, so not expecting art :)


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Jan 11, 2022 02:40 |  #6

Love it! hope it all turns out okay


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Jan 14, 2022 22:37 |  #7

Shot the first roll today. No idea how many images were exposed as the reels are a bit stiff so I couldnt feel any difference when winding the camera after I got to the end. Opened the camera in a blacked out room and confirmed that the roll was done.

The viewfinder experience was pretty awful, so if any images actually turn out they are going to be pretty poorly framed :) It was bad enough with 122 film (square viewfinder image, but rectangular negative), but now with a more panoramic format framing was a complete guess.

Just a test roll anyway. This will confirm if there are any light leaks, if the lens is any good, and how to tweak the recipe for winding the camera. After I get the negs back and tune things up I'll shoot a roll of E100, and use a tripod/level.


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Well, I got ny negatives back today! Only three frames were exposed, one ok-ish, one a blurry mess and one that looks like it may be 3-4 multiple exposures. At least this gave me enough information to fine tune loading the next roll and advancing frames to try to get 3-4 good frames per roll.

Here's the only one that really turned out ... and I use that term loosly. I can't find anything that's in focus, so it could be that shooting hand-held, even at 1/100s isn't going to cut it. I'm sure the lens is probably pretty terrible, but a bit of camera shake would just make things worse.


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Jan 29, 2022 19:25 |  #9

Bob_A wrote in post #19337786 (external link)
Well, I got ny negatives back today! Only three frames were exposed, one ok-ish, one a blurry mess and one that looks like it may be 3-4 multiple exposures. At least this gave me enough information to fine tune loading the next roll and advancing frames to try to get 3-4 good frames per roll.

Here's the only one that really turned out ... and I use that term loosly. I can't find anything that's in focus, so it could be that shooting hand-held, even at 1/100s isn't going to cut it. I'm sure the lens is probably pretty terrible, but a bit of camera shake would just make things worse.


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I like it.


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