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It's 2022 - There has to be a better way to transfer large quantity of images and store in the field

 
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Feb 26, 2022 14:00 |  #211

davesrose wrote in post #19349348 (external link)
We’re not talking micro SD…we’re talking SSD. Also smart phones have gotten pretty sturdy by themselves (never mind adding a rugged case to them). Water proof, gorilla glass, metal shells.

I have never came across a cell that took a SD card.

As for durability unless it is a Dureforce Pro or something like that they all are fragile, Apples are the worst, Samsung's are better, but my experience is very few of them last more than year in the field, being dropped is number one, getting soaked with sweat is a close second as is being submerged.

Case's do help to a degree but are not the end all to be all, we are using case's by ProTECH and they work well but the beltclips have been coming apart after 6 or so months, the other problem I am having is splitting by the camera button which we use for Wireless push to talk.


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Feb 26, 2022 14:05 |  #212

Channel One wrote in post #19349262 (external link)
You would be surprised how many apps will fail to work properly without being able to connect to the net, I don't use a phone for a camera, so that wasn't even considered.

For me phones are for text/talk and sometimes for locating which requires a internet connection.

If I need comms out in the ocean I use LMR or satellite, LMR out to 20 miles or so and sat after that.

That statement clears this up, to a point. For your particular needs, the phone is useless without a connection. I know about apps that don't work without a net connection, and I write some apps that buffer data until it can get the correct connection. However, you, in turn, would be surprised at how many apps work fine without being able to connect to the net. E-book readers work fine if you download the books first. I sow someone playing a word game during my last overseas trip a couple of weeks ago, and I don't think she bought United Airline's internet service.

You mention "...and sometimes for locating which requires a internet connection."
I'm assuming you mean location on a map, that doesn't need an internet connection at all! I routinely fly using charts stored on my phone or iPad, which has enough memory to hold the data for the world. The phone is a back-up; I don't have internet is the planes I fly. As I mentioned, the GPS in your phone has no need of the internet; that is an independent navigation system using GPS and GLONASS (well, maybe not that set of satellites for now, I haven't checked to see if the Russians scrambled their system). Phones get assistance from their towers, but phones don't need the towers to determine a position. There are any number of apps that give position data and use the compass in the phone to show which way is north. On Android phones, a section of Google maps can be loaded to be used when you are off-line. You can download marine charts you can use off-line for about $9 from the Apple store.

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A very limited computer with limited memory and slow processing.

What are you running that needs that much computing power? I doubt you are running simulations of protein structures on your phone.
Here are some uses for cell phones as computers that don't use a network:
Optofluidic Fluorescent Imaging Cytometry on a Cell Phone: https://pubs.acs.org/d​oi/10.1021/ac201587a (external link)
A Cell-Phone-Based Acoustofluidic Platform for Quantitative Point-of-Care Testing: https://pubs.acs.org/d​oi/10.1021/acsnano.9b0​8349 (external link)
Catechol Patterned Film Enables the Enzymatic Detection of Glucose with Cell Phone Imaging: https://pubs.acs.org …021/acssuscheme​ng.1c04896 (external link)
Reading Out Single-Molecule Digital RNA and DNA Isothermal Amplification in Nanoliter Volumes with Unmodified Camera Phones: https://pubs.acs.org/d​oi/10.1021/acsnano.5b0​7338 (external link)
Increased Robustness of Single-Molecule Counting with Microfluidics, Digital Isothermal Amplification, and a Mobile Phone versus Real-Time Kinetic Measurements: https://pubs.acs.org/d​oi/10.1021/ac4030413 (external link)
Teaching Beer’s Law and Absorption Spectrophotometry with a Smart Phone: A Substantially Simplified Protocol: https://pubs.acs.org ….1021/acs.jchem​ed.5b00844 (external link)




  
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Feb 26, 2022 14:08 |  #213

Channel One wrote in post #19349306 (external link)
None the less a cellphone is not going to replace a laptop for editing and is a poor choice for storage.

It's better than nothing at all. Lots of sales reps type long e-mails on their cell phones. Phones now are available with a terabyte of storage, why do you claim it is so bad?




  
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Feb 26, 2022 14:10 as a reply to  @ Channel One's post |  #214

Are you familiar with any current phone model? Your previous post indicated you thought cell phone storage is just limited to exchanging out micro SDs. Now you're talking SD instead of SSD. For quite a few years, cell phones have had fixed internal storage reaching 100s of GB. For example, most models do have configurations for 512GB internal storage. Phone OSes have also had file storage apps for external devices. 4TB SSDs are completely compatible with current phones. Both Apple and Android phones are now durable enough for 5ft drops, sweat, or short dunks in water...then if you add a durable case, it's just as durable as the rest of the camera gear going in the bag that the OP is using for traveling to spot to spot. Is your solution for everything is that a 7 lb rugged laptop is needed for any situation?


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Feb 26, 2022 14:12 |  #215

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For some that is no where enough storage and changing out Micro SD'd defeats the purpose of an external storage device.

And there is the fact cellphones are generally speaking, fragile devices.

I've dropped my phones enough times without any damage, sometimes onto concrete. Phones seem to be tougher now.

Apple phones have fallen from aircraft without ill effect.
https://timesofindia.i​ndiatimes.com …traffic%20contr​ol%20tower (external link).
https://tech.hindustan​times.com …vives-71629718434092.html (external link)
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Android phones, too:
https://www.theverge.c​om …falling-from-plane-reddit (external link)




  
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Feb 26, 2022 14:22 |  #216

davesrose wrote in post #19349348 (external link)
We’re not talking micro SD…we’re talking SSD. Also smart phones have gotten pretty sturdy by themselves (never mind adding a rugged case to them). Water proof, gorilla glass, metal shells.

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I have never came across a cell that took a SD card.

Micro SD isn't the same as SD. It is much smaller. You can use micro SD with an adapter in place of an SD card, and that is one way to get data on and off a micro SD card.




  
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Feb 26, 2022 14:28 |  #217

Capn Jack wrote in post #19349375 (external link)
Micro SD isn't the same as SD. It is much smaller. You can use micro SD with an adapter in place of an SD card, and that is one way to get data on and off a micro SD card.

And SSD is completely different. Micro SD and SD are memory cards now typical for transfering data from cameras. SSDs are solid state external hard drives that directly interface with USB/thunderbolt 3 or 4.


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Feb 26, 2022 14:39 |  #218

davesrose wrote in post #19349378 (external link)
And SSD is completely different. Micro SD and SD are memory cards now typical for transfering data from cameras. SSDs are solid state external hard drives that directly interface with USB/thunderbolt 3 or 4.

Yep, I know that. ;-)a
But the general explanation is helpful to others.




  
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Feb 26, 2022 14:50 |  #219

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Yep, I know that. ;-)a
But the general explanation is helpful to others.

Yeah, I got that you were clarifying micro SD vs SD. So I thought I'd complete the circle :-)


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Feb 26, 2022 15:23 |  #220

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What are you running that needs that much computing power?

Thumbs Plus but mostly a NLE for video.


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Feb 26, 2022 15:24 |  #221

Capn Jack wrote in post #19349358 (external link)
It's better than nothing at all. Lots of sales reps type long e-mails on their cell phones. Phones now are available with a terabyte of storage, why do you claim it is so bad?

Never seen a cell wit ha TB of storage.


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Feb 26, 2022 15:25 |  #222

[QUOTE=davesrose;19349​361]Are you familiar with any current phone model? [/bquote]

Yes.

For example, most models do have configurations for 512GB internal storage.

Which is not much storage at all.


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Feb 26, 2022 15:26 |  #223

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Never seen a cell wit ha TB of storage.

That doesn't mean they don't exist.
Here's one
https://www.amazon.com …ge=en_US&ref_=a​s_li_ss_tl (external link)
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Here's another:
https://www.amazon.com …1tb&qid=1645911​061&sr=8-5 (external link)

Channel One wrote in post #19349409 (external link)
Thumbs Plus but mostly a NLE for video.

ThumbsPlus runs on SQLite. If there was a reason to do so, it could be ported to an Android phone which uses SQLite as a native database.




  
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Feb 26, 2022 15:26 |  #224

Capn Jack wrote in post #19349375 (external link)
Micro SD isn't the same as SD. It is much smaller. You can use micro SD with an adapter in place of an SD card, and that is one way to get data on and off a micro SD card.

Really no kidding, I have a half a dozen of the adapters here.


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Feb 26, 2022 15:32 |  #225

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