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It's 2022 - There has to be a better way to transfer large quantity of images and store in the field

 
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Jan 16, 2022 12:12 |  #31

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Levina, it is presumptuous even to assume that a hotel in EU city like Essen, Germany, will support even a call via Skype...while in Essen for a congress, I found that I had to use my cell phone to call my wife because the data speed in the hotel would not support Skype call with adequate quality even for voice.
And during a congress in Melbourne Australia, I could not even get email adequately at the hotel I was in (one of the hotels selected by the congress organizers) and instead needed to go to the hotel in which meeting facilities were held, simply to get email via wifi.

The Netherlands apparently is a global leader in ICT and one of the highest ranking countries in the world when it comes to internet speeds. I just assumed speeds were pretty much the same elsewhere in the western world and most certainly in northwestern Europe. Clearly I was wrong. I’m frankly amazed at your experience in Germany. I mean, Germany? :eek:


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Jan 16, 2022 12:21 |  #32

That's much better! You can post a citation, and it really wasn't that difficult, was it?
In this case, the information is two years old, and may be out of date. They are probably only discussing the free services, they certainly don't mention the paid versions.

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In doing a bit more research into Google Drive I found this...
https://support.google​.com …-hours-to-sync-10gb?hl=en (external link)

"How long does it take to upload 1 GB?
How long does it take to upload 10GB to Google Drive?
You will won't exceed the 3.6Gbytes per hour, and more likely less than 3Gbytes/hour, but it may still boost the throughput. At 3Gbytes/hr then 10GB would take over 3hrs.A"

:eek: over 9 hours for a 32GB memory?!

Just for grins, I have a 500GB SSD and a PATA-to-SATA adapter on the way soon, to see if I can convert my 15 year old 40GB storage Digital Foci unit into a 500GB self-contained CF-to-SSD transfer unit. Gotta test to make sure >32GB CF storage unit is supported. If that does not work, I have another 500GB SSD to go into an external USB-connected enclosure.

Again, which level of Google drive? What internet was in front of Google drive? An upload will only be as fast as the slowest part of the internet between the source and destination, as mentioned the replies to that question- any cloud service will have the same problem! In fact, the user in question was copying from a USB drive- which type? Older drives and USB ports aren't terribly fast either.

We still haven't truly answered the important question- how does the OP connect to these cloud services? Starlink is a remote "maybe" in 2022 (as per the title change), and satellite phone is just plain slow. Slow Google (or anything else) doesn't matter if the satphone connection is slower, or if there is no connection at all!




  
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Jan 16, 2022 12:25 |  #33

1500 pics x 30 mb x 14 days = 630 GB. So get a couple of big memory cards and you're covered. Back up each night to a small laptop with a 2 TB SSD. I would need the laptop anyway for documents and communication.


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Jan 16, 2022 12:27 |  #34

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Levina, it is presumptuous even to assume that a hotel in EU city like Essen, Germany, will support even a call via Skype...while in Essen for a congress, I found that I had to use my cell phone to call my wife because the data speed in the hotel would not support Skype call with adequate quality even for voice.
And during a congress in Melbourne Australia, I could not even get email adequately at the hotel I was in (one of the hotels selected by the congress organizers) and instead needed to go to the hotel in which meeting facilities were held, simply to get email via wifi.

How long ago was that? I've had good results in OZ (Melbourne), Germany, Switzerland, UK, Poland, Finland, India, China, and Singapore. My employer has greatly improved their internet connectivity to support zoom meetings, and I've attended zoom meetings from various hotels in the USA. Conversely, I've been training dealers via zoom all over the world, and having them run the systems remotely!




  
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Jan 16, 2022 12:55 |  #35

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That's much better! You can post a citation, and it really wasn't that difficult, was it?
In this case, the information is two years old, and may be out of date. They are probably only discussing the free services, they certainly don't mention the paid versions.

No need to admonish, I usually insert links...one time I did not!

In any event, one cannot forget that when travelling on holiday, one is very much subjected to the limitations of your host hotel, and it matters NOT what your ISP does for you at home, and no matter who provides Cloud storage, you are still reliant upon narrowness of the bottleneck! And I have done enough travel to know that even in EU countries the connectivity service is not uniformly good.


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Jan 16, 2022 13:01 |  #36

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1500 pics x 30 mb x 14 days = 630 GB. So get a couple of big memory cards and you're covered. Back up each night to a small laptop with a 2 TB SSD. I would need the laptop anyway for documents and communication.

But the thread started off with the desired to not be burdened with an 8lb laptop simply to back up photos.
When I travel, the laptop is useful for looking up places to go, places to eat, and email, check in with airlines...so its service to back up photos is merely one of several purposes and is worth its weight to me. But I understand, if you are trekking thru Peru to Machu Picchu you might not want even those functions...8lb of laptop is 8lb less of other necessities. And even travelling in western Europe, it is 8lb to carry up and down stairs to subways/trains or hotel rooms when no elevator or escalator is installed.


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Jan 16, 2022 13:09 |  #37

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But the thread started off with the desired to not be burdened with an 8lb laptop

Then don't take such a laptop.


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Jan 16, 2022 13:10 |  #38

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How long ago was that? I've had good results in OZ (Melbourne), Germany, Switzerland, UK, Poland, Finland, India, China, and Singapore. My employer has greatly improved their internet connectivity to support zoom meetings, and I've attended zoom meetings from various hotels in the USA. Conversely, I've been training dealers via zoom all over the world, and having them run the systems remotely!

There are always exceptions to good internet connectivity. And one does not know until after you checked in. About 3 years ago, I was at a hotel very near Charles de Gaulle airport, and my connectivity was poor unless I paid $25 for higher speed internet...night before flying home, I made due with substandard connection.
I live 2 miles from Oracle world headquarters, and there have been failures of internet for over a day, more than once in the past year! If relying on daily internet access to clear your memory card of photos, even a one night internet connectivity issue cannot be tolerated. Not practical to drive to a nearby business with internet and sit there for 9 hours copying 32GB of memory!


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Jan 16, 2022 13:17 |  #39

Wilt wrote in post #19331584 (external link)
No need to admonish, I usually insert links...one time I did not!

In any event, one cannot forget that when travelling on holiday, one is very much subjected to the limitations of your host hotel, and it matters NOT what your ICP does for you at home, and no matter who provides Cloud storage, you are still reliant upon narrowness of the bottleneck!

I've already alluded to that....

Capn Jack wrote in post #19331571 (external link)
We still haven't truly answered the important question- how does the OP connect to these cloud services? Starlink is a remote "maybe" in 2022 (as per the title change), and satellite phone is just plain slow. Slow Google (or anything else) doesn't matter if the satphone connection is slower, or if there is no connection at all!

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=Wilt;19331584And I have done ebough travel to know that even in EU countries the connectivity service is not uniformly good.

I suspect that your travel was some years ago. More recently, up to the pandemic, I've traveled to EU and Asia for business. My last visit to India, 2016, had adequate internet at one hotel, and they sold good internet for a price, and that was the worst case I've encountered. I suspect that charge has disappeared sometime during the preceding 8 years. With zoom meetings, the need for bandwidth has improved and my experience thus far, as travel has opened, is that bandwidth hasn't been an issue (as yet). My dealers in EU and Asia have attended remote training from hotels, working around their customer visits, without problems.

@Archibald's suggestion is still the most practical, and cost effective, to the original question.
For a little fun, not related to Archibald's question:
https://blog.xkcd.com …08/26/how-to-send-a-file/ (external link)




  
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Jan 16, 2022 13:19 |  #40

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Then don't take such a laptop.

And so the inquiry of this thread! How to 'not take a laptop'?


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There are always exceptions to good internet connectivity. And one does not know until after you checked in. About 3 years ago, I was at a hotel very near Charles de Gaulle airport, and my connectivity was poor unless I paid $25 for higher speed internet...night before flying home, I made due with substandard connection.
I live 2 miles from Oracle world headquarters, and there have been failures of internet for over a day, more than once in the past year! If relying on daily internet access to clear your memory card of photos, even a one night internet connectivity issue cannot be tolerated. Not practical to drive to a nearby business with internet and sit there for 9 hours copying 32GB of memory!

Of course there are exceptions. But you are discussing exceptions. I'd hope the pandemic put that hotel out of business- pray tell which one so I don't check in there? In any case, you still got your work done, so it worked out ok.
Also, what is your ISP that shut you down for a day or more?
In any case, you are merely stating that things occasionally don't work as they are supposed to.




  
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Jan 16, 2022 13:37 |  #42

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And so the inquiry of this thread! How to 'not take a laptop'?

I DIDN'T SAY NOT TAKE A LAPTOP.


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I've already alluded to that....

I suspect that your travel was some years ago.

My travel has not been all that long ago! Since 2012 I have travelled to Paris, Chartres, Essen, Geneva, Shanghai, Prague, all on business consulting for the same French company, and that does not count holiday travel nor any travel within US for the same French company.

In fact, in October 2019, just before COVID struck, my wife and I were in Kauai, and all cable and internet service was disrupted for DAYS because an underwater cable had been severed...no option, other than fly to another island for internet


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Of course there are exceptions. But you are discussing exceptions. I'd hope the pandemic put that hotel out of business- pray tell which one so I don't check in there? In any case, you still got your work done, so it worked out ok.
Also, what is your ISP that shut you down for a day or more?
In any case, you are merely stating that things occasionally don't work as they are supposed to.

But if you are reliant on daily backup of 1500 photos to a Cloud service, any disruption defeats accomplishing that and you have no practical way around the problem, not if uploading 32GB takes 9 hours sitting in an internet cafe. Imagine being in Tonga right now, trying to connect to your Cloud storage to clear your memory card of photos...no internet, no communication with outside world at all possible...underwater volcanic eruption broke communications.


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Jan 16, 2022 13:47 |  #45

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It’s 2023? Already?!

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