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Jan 16, 2022 15:25 |  #61

Where I am backing up to iCloud works very well. Quick transfer from my R6 to my iPhone and from there to iCloud. I have uploaded hundreds of photos in one batch and they were available on my other devices very quickly. You can see the progress bar moving along and the images being transferred very rapidly indeed.

As to people's experiences with internet connections/speeds, if it's an experience longer than a year ago, it's probably no longer relevant. Technology moves at a crazy pace and what was true last year needn't be true now.


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Jan 16, 2022 15:31 as a reply to  @ post 19331653 |  #62

Yes, nothing is absolute. But, per my own experience (six occasions in 10 years...which does not count at all times when we spend a weekend or week at friend's home) I do not depend upon internet connectvity because of having experienced NOT being able to adequately connect on multiple occasions...I know I might have to call my wife using my cell phone, not VOIP connection. I would not think OP would accept unreliability, particularly not when 1500 images per day is at stake, unless some alternate means with stronger reliability could be used. Some folks have suggested using multiple memory cards, and that might be acceptable to me and others but not to OP, so a search for other alternatives to offer.


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Jan 16, 2022 16:22 |  #63

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Yes, nothing is absolute. But, per my own experience (six occasions in 10 years...which does not count at all times when we spend a weekend or week at friend's home) I do not depend upon internet connectvity because of having experienced NOT being able to adequately connect on multiple occasions...I know I might have to call my wife using my cell phone, not VOIP connection. I would not think OP would accept unreliability, particularly not when 1500 images per day is at stake, unless some alternate means with stronger reliability could be used. Some folks have suggested using multiple memory cards, and that might be acceptable to me and others but not to OP, so a search for other alternatives to offer.

6x in 10 years? That bothers you? What are you running? A nuclear reactor? Assuming each occurrence lasts one day, that's 99.8% reliability (100-6/(365*10)*100). The problem is there may not even be internet at the original poster's photography location. Given the timing in the original question (2023), the possibility of bringing his own internet was mentioned (Starlink). As the question was changed to a 2022 timeframe, the suggestions moved to local storage.

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Where I am backing up to iCloud works very well. Quick transfer from my R6 to my iPhone and from there to iCloud. I have uploaded hundreds of photos in one batch and they were available on my other devices very quickly. You can see the progress bar moving along and the images being transferred very rapidly indeed.

As to people's experiences with internet connections/speeds, if it's an experience longer than a year ago, it's probably no longer relevant. Technology moves at a crazy pace and what was true last year needn't be true now.

I agree with this. I'm really surprised and pleased at the improvement in internet during the past two years not just here, but overseas as well. I'm planning annual refresher training for our dealers over zoom, something that would have been difficult 2 years ago. I use Microsoft cloud at work. The tools in Office 365 let me do things that were difficult in 2020, such as collect show and poster leads and save them on our servers with a link for marketing and sales to grab those leads and act on them immediately. It was funny to see the expression of potential customer who asked for information for an application at the Southwest Regional ACS meeting. He entered his information on my phone, and he had an e-mail containing an application note for his project before he left our table. That example was unusually fast, but it is one example of how things have changed. However, @Pippen showed these things aren't yet available everywhere. If it is really important that I get a document completed, I'll download a copy to my computer, copy it to a USB drive as a further backup, and if needed, use the local copy. I haven't had to do so yet. If the hotel internet is bad, I just use my 5G phone hotspot in the USA, or I just go to the local Starbucks or McDonalds.




  
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Jan 16, 2022 16:29 |  #64

There has been some comments about Starlink in this thread and perhaps its use when on a safari. I had to laugh at the content at https://www.reviewgeek​.com …as-one-enemy-sleepy-cats/ (external link). When I was on a camping trip at Cape Point National Park (Cape Town SA) a few years back, I returned to my car to find a Cape baboon sitting on the hood of my car (playing with himself). It was a relatively cool day as I recall, perhaps 60 deg F. So when Starlink makes it to SA, perhaps the baboons and cats will be competing for antenna space.




  
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Jan 16, 2022 17:27 |  #65

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You misquoted before.

Sorry, I don't see an issue here for long harangues about dealing with thousands of pics on a trip. There are excellent 3 lb laptops available and I have owned one for years. It is petty quibbling about 3 lb in the luggage.

But if 3 lb is too much to carry, then take a TB USB hard drive and use the hotel's computer to back up photos.

If backing up images to an online location is not possible because of the lack of telecommunication capability, I'm still wondering why SD cards can't suffice. I can easily back up a full-sized SD card with a reader to the micro-SD (up to 512gb) in my phone (or into an old phone dedicated to that purpose).


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Jan 16, 2022 19:50 |  #66

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If backing up images to an online location is not possible because of the lack of telecommunication capability, I'm still wondering why SD cards can't suffice. I can easily back up a full-sized SD card with a reader to the micro-SD (up to 512gb) in my phone (or into an old phone dedicated to that purpose).

Yes, should work fine.


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Jan 16, 2022 20:04 |  #67

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There has been some comments about Starlink in this thread and perhaps its use when on a safari. I had to laugh at the content at https://www.reviewgeek​.com …as-one-enemy-sleepy-cats/ (external link). When I was on a camping trip at Cape Point National Park (Cape Town SA) a few years back, I returned to my car to find a Cape baboon sitting on the hood of my car (playing with himself). It was a relatively cool day as I recall, perhaps 60 deg F. So when Starlink makes it to SA, perhaps the baboons and cats will be competing for antenna space.

Maybe big cats! Save time looking for them!  :p




  
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Jan 17, 2022 00:48 |  #68

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6x in 10 years? That bothers you? What are you running? A nuclear reactor? Assuming each occurrence lasts one day, that's 99.8% reliability (100-6/(365*10)*100). The problem is there may not even be internet at the original poster's photography location. Given the timing in the original question (2023), the possibility of bringing his own internet was mentioned (Starlink). As the question was changed to a 2022 timeframe, the suggestions moved to local storage.

I agree with this. I'm really surprised and pleased at the improvement in internet during the past two years not just here, but overseas as well. I'm planning annual refresher training for our dealers over zoom, something that would have been difficult 2 years ago. I use Microsoft cloud at work. The tools in Office 365 let me do things that were difficult in 2020, such as collect show and poster leads and save them on our servers with a link for marketing and sales to grab those leads and act on them immediately. It was funny to see the expression of potential customer who asked for information for an application at the Southwest Regional ACS meeting. He entered his information on my phone, and he had an e-mail containing an application note for his project before he left our table. That example was unusually fast, but it is one example of how things have changed. However, @Pippen showed these things aren't yet available everywhere. If it is really important that I get a document completed, I'll download a copy to my computer, copy it to a USB drive as a further backup, and if needed, use the local copy. I haven't had to do so yet. If the hotel internet is bad, I just use my 5G phone hotspot in the USA, or I just go to the local Starbucks or McDonalds.

6 times in 10 years is not high frequency, but it is also indicative that it is far from 'really reliable', and anyone in need of reliability needs to look elsewhere. That is a personal consideration. When I go on a trip, I tell my wife "I will try to phone via Skype".
Consider a different way of looking at it my international trips during 10 years is probably only 8, so 3 of 8 international trips have failed! By that measure, 62% success rate of international trips...Essen, Paris, Melbourne.


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Jan 17, 2022 08:59 |  #69

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6 times in 10 years is not high frequency, but it is also indicative that it is far from 'really reliable', and anyone in need of reliability needs to look elsewhere. That is a personal consideration. When I go on a trip, I tell my wife "I will try to phone via Skype".
Consider a different way of looking at it my international trips during 10 years is probably only 8, so 3 of 8 international trips have failed! By that measure, 62% success rate of international trips...Essen, Paris, Melbourne.

You just have bad luck. in 2019, I had 2 international trips, and 4 in 2018, and I don't know how many in the preceding years with nary a problem. 99.8% reliability (6 days in 3650 days) is high reliability unless you are running nuclear reactors or something military. For consumer products, that is quite good.




  
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You just have bad luck. in 2019, I had 2 international trips, and 4 in 2018, and I don't know how many in the preceding years with nary a problem. 99.8% reliability (6 days in 3650 days) is high reliability unless you are running nuclear reactors or something military. For consumer products, that is quite good.

I do not dispute your results, I only reported my results. Others can judge what to do by interpreting our experiences as applying to themselves -- the point of 'debate'. As gas economy goes, YMMV.
BTW, apart from the rare occurrance of 2 days of interrupted service while in Kauai in late 2019, all of my trips within US have been accompanied by good internet service (except for our stays at our friend's second home near Calistoga CA, where internet service is often disrupted unexpectedly during the day)


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Jan 17, 2022 12:13 |  #71

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I do not dispute your results, I only reported my results. Others can judge what to do by interpreting our experiences as applying to themselves -- the point of 'debate'. As gas economy goes, YMMV.
BTW, apart from the rare occurrance of 2 days of interrupted service while in Kauai in late 2019, all of my trips within US have been accompanied by good internet service (except for our stays at our friend's second home near Calistoga CA, where internet service is often disrupted unexpectedly during the day)

I don't think anyone can interpret our experiences as applying to themselves. The population under "study" is too small. N=2 are terrible statistics. It seems that, for international travel, we occupy opposite ends of the bell curve, whatever that curve might look like. Also, don't forget that although you live close to Oracle, you had an outage at your house (mentioned earlier in the thread)- counted in the up-time numbers. Levina seems to have good internet in Europe, and she is a better measure than either of us in that area as she lives there.

You still haven't shared which hotel in France tried to up-charge you for faster internet, as that would be useful information for all of us who might travel there, so we choose hotels with a more modern pricing scheme. About the only places I see an upcharge anymore are at airports and ships. They charge for internet access on planes and ships and cruise ships upcharge for higher bandwidth (such as it is as it goes through relatively low bandwidth satellites).




  
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You still haven't shared which hotel in France tried to up-charge you for faster internet, as that would be useful information for all of us who might travel there, so we choose hotels with a more modern pricing scheme. About the only places I see an upcharge anymore are at airports and ships. They charge for internet access on planes and ships and cruise ships upcharge for higher bandwidth (such as it is as it goes through relatively low bandwidth satellites).

I had to look up past business travel records to recall name of hotel...Raddison Blu CDG. 'Free wifi is available throughout the hotel', rather slow in my room; I ultimately had to use the guest PC in the lobby to check in with my airline. The hotel was close to Charles de Gaulle airport, but off site so that shuttle was needed to get to airport, and hotel was located in a somewhat industrial park close to the airport.


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Jan 17, 2022 18:29 |  #73

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I had to look up past business travel records to recall name of hotel...Raddison Blu CDG. 'Free wifi is available throughout the hotel', rather slow in my room; I ultimately had to use the guest PC in the lobby to check in with my airline. The hotel was close to Charles de Gaulle airport, but off site so that shuttle was needed to get to airport, and hotel was located in a somewhat industrial park close to the airport.

That place had poor reviews in general. Thanks for sharing.
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That place had poor reviews in general. Thanks for sharing.
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No longer a Radisson Blu. In 2018 it was redone and opened as a new Courtyard by Marriott. Presumably with better internet.


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No longer a Radisson Blu. In 2018 it was redone and opened as a new Courtyard by Marriott. Presumably with better internet.

It probably would have been bought out by someone, if it didn't happen in 2018, because the pandemic tended to eliminate hotels and restaurants that had poor service and food in a Darwinian fashion.
However, that supports the comments that Levina and I have made stating that internet access now is very different than just a couple of years ago due to improvements forced by the pandemic.




  
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