Canon: DSLR's will live on...except the flagship 1DX series

umphotography wrote in post #19378099
....so why would photographers buy mirrorless cameras for anything but advanced auto focus features ?? Sensor performance is a mute point.

So it really doesnt hurt Canon to continue producing a DSLR....many people like me dont need or want auto eye focus. I dont use the auto modes when i shoot.

Well, people seem to LOVE the advanced AF features. The more the better, IMO. And if you have the sensor you want, in a camera without the features you don't want, then you're set. Canon probably figures there aren't enough people like you around to justify ongoing 5D4/1Dx3 production into the future, although this thread isn't about the end of 5D4 production.

No one's asking you to. They're still showing 5D4 and 1Dx3 on the website. And when production and inventory are over, people who want that level of performance will have options (currently, spend up for the R5 or down to the R6). Yes, not the options YOU want but I personally don't see how those DSLRs aren't obsoleted by ML, and companies simply don't keep making obsolete products.

Speaking of EFV delay, I was looking though some 4/3 ML camera a few days ago and the EVF delay was pretty bad. But another one I've looked through had no perceptible delay. I don't know exactly what 1/120 second looks like but it doesn't seem terrible to me. For static subjects I can't see it being an issue, and for fast ones I suspect the improvement in AF justifies it. The R5 and R3 threads seem to back that up.

I fail to see the applicability of comparing

• a state experiencing the lowest population growth in 3 decades, and a total population of only 1.9 Million, and its ability to meet electricity demand by its citizens, vs.
  
• electrical demands in a state in which 1.9 Million can be found in 2 citities and a total population 20 times greater (39 Million), and in which water shortages are limiting hydroelectric generation of electricity, and the ability to draw electricity from Pacific NW neighbor which is also reduced by drought shortages.
  

umphotography wrote in post #19378225
Exactly what are these advantages that mirrorless has over a DSLR ?? Other than auto Eye focus ? For those that cant figure out how to micro adjust a lens to a DSLR...that might be an advantage......what else ??

Im waiting for someone to copy/paste MFG talking points. Real world photographers....there​s not much of a difference compared to a 1Dx3, 1Dx2 and 5D4

IBIS system? Faster focusing lens, also better noise reduction? Lighter body?

I do believe that the eye focusing will help you to compose your photo better, you don't have to readjust your focus point to get the proper composition before shooting. (or cropping your photo in photoshop to adjust the composition lolz)

Mirroless does have some flaws beside all the advantages that it offers: dust accumulation, heat up battery,... etc you named it

Wilt wrote in post #19378389
I fail to see the applicability of comparing

• a state experiencing the lowest population growth in 3 decades, and a total population of only 1.9 Million, and its ability to meet electricity demand by its citizens, vs.
  
• electrical demands in a state in which 1.9 Million can be found in 2 citities and a total population 20 times greater (39 Million), and in which water shortages are limiting hydroelectric generation of electricity, and the ability to draw electricity from Pacific NW neighbor which is also reduced by drought shortages.
  

You are the one who started the poor comparisons Aside from being poor comparisons, they aren't even correct. I merely noted the brownout problems seem to be local to you.

Speaking of population growth, the brownout problem you have will end soon because so many people are leaving the state- population of CA is declining:
https://www.sbsun.com …arts%20of%20the​%20country.

Lets get it back on track, Canon dumping the SLR for mirrorless.

peteraustralia2021 wrote in post #19378421
IBIS system? Faster focusing lens, also better noise reduction? Lighter body?

I do believe that the eye focusing will help you to compose your photo better, you don't have to readjust your focus point to get the proper composition before shooting. (or cropping your photo in photoshop to adjust the composition lolz)

Mirroless does have some flaws beside all the advantages that it offers: dust accumulation, heat up battery,... etc you named it

Is there any reason IBIS, faster lens focus, and noise reduction can't be in an SLR?
I thought someone claimed mirrorless picked subjects slower than SLR, but I can't find the post now. Many of the pictures I see, especially agile birds, seem to suggest mirrorless focus is fast enough.

gjl711 wrote in post #19378438
Lets get it back on track, Canon dumping the SLR for mirrorless.

What he said.

Capn Jack wrote in post #19378444
Is there any reason IBIS, faster lens focus, and noise reduction can't be in an SLR?
I thought someone claimed mirrorless picked subjects slower than SLR, but I can't find the post now. Many of the pictures I see, especially agile birds, seem to suggest mirrorless focus is fast enough.

Oh hell yes.
Sure it WAS slower, but that was some time ago. First SONY (and Olympus?) and now Canon and Nikon have fixed that.

Capn Jack wrote in post #19378444
Is there any reason IBIS, faster lens focus, and noise reduction can't be in an SLR?

Other than the fact that they aren't making SLRs to put those features in? Those factors may be unrelated, like asking why can't they put self-driving features on carburetted cars.

AntonLargiader wrote in post #19378464
Other than the fact that they aren't making SLRs to put those features in? Those factors may be unrelated, like asking why can't they put self-driving features on carburetted cars.

I agree with you, I was just understanding the advantages of mirrorless other than things that are related to the sensor only, compared to the form factor of mirrorless.

1. The new BSI sensor can only be found in canon mirrorless.

2. You don’t necessarily buy electric vehicles to take long road trips, that isn’t where they are efficient. It is the shorter trips, in or maybe 100-200 mi trip over the weekend.

We have put 5000 miles on our EV in the last month. We are saving about 1/2 to 2/3 over current fuel prices now if we look at the same mileage/costs to our RAV4.

We just went 240 miles round trip today and while eating at Blaze pizza’s, the car charged up and was ready for the trip back home at a cost of under $10.

I won’t get into how much fun it is taking down some of the local sports cars either. It’s a different way to drive for sure and that difference is much more intensive than going to a mirrorless.

Capn Jack wrote in post #19378444
Is there any reason IBIS, faster lens focus, and noise reduction can't be in an SLR?
I thought someone claimed mirrorless picked subjects slower than SLR, but I can't find the post now. Many of the pictures I see, especially agile birds, seem to suggest mirrorless focus is fast enough.

Yes Ibis is useful for some prime lens ... and also manual focus if they don't have IS ...

Also, the motor for DSLR lens uses technology more than 20 years ... I don't think it is as fast as the RF but its just my opinion

I am still with dslr, eventhough I know mirroless have a lot of advantages (more innovative)... but I just don't want to waste too much money on hobby (I do earn a bit $ from event & wedding but occasionally, to help out a friend for his wedding business)

peteraustralia2021 wrote in post #19378491
Yes Ibis is useful for some prime lens ... and also manual focus if they don't have IS ...

The motor for DSLR uses technology more than 20 years ... I don't think it is as fast as the RF but its just my opinion

I am still with dslr, eventhough I know mirroless have a lot of advantages (more innovative)... but I just don't want to waste too much money on hobby (I do earn a bit $ from event & wedding but occasionally, to help out a friend for his wedding business)

Is the motor a function of the lens? For Canon, I seem to remember a couple of versions of USM (ultrasonic motors) and stepper motors. I'll agree that newer lenses (such as the RF series) can run faster if the camera drives those motors faster. The Rf lenses still use USM motors, they are just smaller:
https://www.usa.canon.​com …NMM6_ma7ZhMmnPP​B4BdVGaVw/

You are making a good case for getting the newer cameras....eventually. I'll keep using my 7D2 while it works because I haven't hit its limitations as yet.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

peteraustralia2021 wrote in post #19378421
IBIS system? Faster focusing lens, also better noise reduction? Lighter body?

I do believe that the eye focusing will help you to compose your photo better, you don't have to readjust your focus point to get the proper composition before shooting. (or cropping your photo in photoshop to adjust the composition lolz)

Mirroless does have some flaws beside all the advantages that it offers: dust accumulation, heat up battery,... etc you named it

IBIS helps with very static objects. Even for family pictures which are not 18th century style pictures, but people been alive and moving IBIS doesn't bring much. Maybe at long tele... But they say lens IS might works better on tele.

Noise reduction is only better on high ISO. But flash on low ISO still leaves high ISO in the dust. High ISO is still inferior to low ISO. Mirrorless or less mirrorless. Some are realizing how better low ISO is on old DLSR bodies. Clean high ISO is dual sides sword, apparently.

Lighter body? It is often only gimmicks. To match capability of DSLR on single battery, Canon mirrorless needs battery grip. Canon RP is failure comparing to Sony A7C on battery live, but Sony A7C has next to unusable EVF. It is so tiny.

Eye focusing? Do you know Canon has it in film SLR? Prosumer and Pro. I had Pro body with large AF covering and prosumer now with much less. Both are noting special and surprisingly doesn't improve photography much.

Yep, EVF is much more cheaper than optics and mechanics.