R5 R6 R3 and all the rest of the new Rs

i filled in on some studio work for a colleague and used his R6. that eye-focus biz is the SHIZNIT! there WAS one on the marketplace im CONSIDERING but i have a few reservations.

its got native ISO of 102k! wow. i dont shoot that high but im wondering if theres a corrolation between that huge sensitivity and the quality of the images at levels us mere mortals shoot at (under 4000). its like a stereo. you might not use or even COME CLOSE to using the 1,000 watts per channel of a Macintosh Labs tube amp but the low end will give you THD of less than 0.10% (my numbers are SWAGs. its been several decades since ive played around with Macintosh gear)...

the sensor is only 20mp. thats less than the 5D3 and 5D4 im shooting with now. it seems as if thats a step backwards...

i dont know the science behind sensors and sensitivity and pixel density AT ALL. could it be that the 45mp of the R5, just cant go to 102k ISO? that the 102k ISO wont work with a higher mp sensor?

i dont see any other differences between the R5 and the R6. im the camera market guy's dream consumer. "you need the highest mp count you can get" (me yes master!!!

i really am wide-eyed over that eye-focus and kind of want it and i probably would never see the difference in mp of the sensors (between the Rs and the 5Ds) im using now...

the R3 is in the middle of the sensor pixel density (or count whichever is more accurate a term) but a) its $6 grand and b) its 6 fricking thousand dollars...


the last thing i need to do is dump a couple of grand into a body, im really going to be second guessing myself on. what's everyone's thoughts on this?

I sold my 1DX and replaced it with a R6. No regrets at all in fact I came out ahead in almost every way.

I have a 5DIV but rarely use it anymore. I should sell it. For the work I do 20 MP is enough including making 13"x19" prints and the R6 is by far the best camera I have ever used.

The one thing to be aware of is electronic shutter performance for sports. 20 FPS is nice but if you shoot baseball, hockey or golf you get curved bats, sticks and clubs. For basketball, track, football it is rarely a problem. For me, that is the only down side.

Dave, about that ISO 102k. It may be available on the R6 but that doesn’t mean it’s exactly useable. Have a look at some test images I did in the R6 thread. I took shots at increasing ISO speeds.
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19133551

And a link to a shot at 102k ISO:
https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19134013

Ltdave wrote in post #19350640
im the camera market guy's dream consumer. "you need the highest mp count you can get" (me yes master!!!

This made me laugh so hard. Very funny.

I was going between the R3, R5, and R6 before finally purchasing the R5. For me personally, the 45mp makes more sense for the situations I find myself in most. I use the 45mp as a pseudo-zoom far more than I would ever need the improved ISO or DR performance of the R3/R6 sensor. If I were still doing weddings and indoor events (which are notorious for poor lighting), I may have ended up with the R3...maybe. I hesitate to believe I would have "needed" the R3 because at some point if the lighting gets so bad, you just end up using strobes anyways.

Now, as I'm mostly shooting landscapes, still-life, and my kids soccer/gymnastics/bask​etball games, the R5 feels perfect. A move from the 5D series to any of these R3, R5, or R6 bodies is going to be an amazing experience.

Ltdave wrote in post #19350640
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... its like a stereo. you might not use or even COME CLOSE to using the 1,000 watts per channel of a Macintosh Labs tube amp but the low end will give you THD of less than 0.10% (my numbers are SWAGs. its been several decades since ive played around with Macintosh gear)......

There is a direct correlation when you look at another common term between the two mediums, "dynamic range". The R6 has excellent dynamic range, and that shows in all it's images. The images are lower noise than other Canon sensors, the leeway will be there, but I don't know if you'll see it vs. an R5 often. You will se it vs. a 5D3, or an 18MP 7D in a huge way.

I really am thinking about upgrading to an R5, but I’m concerned about the quality of the electronic screen in the viewfinder, the battery life because one screen always has to be on, and the usability of EF lenses.

I don’t have 10 to 12 grand to drop on new lenses, especially since even when the ones I have break and can’t be repaired, used ones are still relatively cheap. So I’m going to have to be using EF lenses for a while with the adapter and I’m not sure how well they work when mounted to a small camera body like the R5.

I’m still pretty bitter at Canon completely killing mirrored, because of the massive financial investment you have to make to replace a good lens collection.

^^^^As has been said by others and myself, EF lenses work fine on an R body with an adapter and with the adapter that contains the control ring you gain the added functionality of an RF lens. Some members have said an EF lens works better on an R body than it did on an older D body.

Lou

lowrider wrote in post #19352025
^^^^As has been said by others and myself, EF lenses work fine on an R body with an adapter and with the adapter that contains the control ring you gain the added functionality of an RF lens. Some members have said an EF lens works better on an R body than it did on an older D body.

Lou

I feel like my EF lenses, particularly the EF 50mm STM and the EF 85mm f1.8 work better on my R6 than on my DSLR bodies

^^^^Looks like the base adapter. The most versatile adapter is the one with the Control Ring. That adapter adds the added capability of the programable ring found on RF lenses..

https://dominey.blog …/canon-ef-to-rf-adapters/

Lou

I went from a 5D3 to the R6. My only hesitation was the loss of resolution, but I haven't actually felt that yet. Maybe if I hit both cropping and printing large I'll notice it, but that hasn't reared its head yet. For landscape work, it's easy enough to capture multiple shots and stitch them in post, so that takes care of the MP issue. For all other times, the lower MP makes the workflow faster (smaller files).

My EF lenses work perfectly or better than on the 5D3. When I went down the Sony path for a bit, I tried a couple different adapters and speed boosters and some lenses worked "okay" on either adapter, others worked better on one and yet others worked better on the other. Trying to keep track of which adapter for which lens wasn't worth the hassle. Now, every lens (including EF-S) works as good as they ever have on any Canon body.

My only comment about the EF-R adapters is that I bought a Viltrox (with the control ring) first and it mostly worked (except when it would randomly not recognize that anything was attached). For casual shooting, it was not that big of an issue but I wouldn't want to rely on that for any paid gigs. The second adapter I bought was a Canon-branded basic (no control ring). I found the control ring was "interesting" and I ultimately settled on using it to switch between single point AF and zone AF, which was pretty nice for switching between difficult focusing situations. But the Canon basic adapter has been perfect; not a single blip or glitch yet.

I've stepped away from weddings for now, so the second body is in a bag and not on my hip. This means that the R6 is the only camera I'm actively carrying around anymore.

The AF performance on the R6 is amazing. The (lack of) noise is better than anything I've used before.

The hesitations I had before buying the R6 never turned into regrets. I don't feel like I need to buy anything more at this point. When an EF lens fails, I'll probably think about an RF replacement, but I'm not even drawn to the RF glass at this time.

i helped another photog shoot some T&I on about 6 peewee football teams. they photoshop the individual images into a team photo so everything needed to be set up and maintained so we shot off a tripod. with the different age groups we didnt touch a thing and let the eye-focus find and focus the shots for us. it was the cats meow!

I had a couple ring adapters and with my configuration, I could find nothing useful to put on it. Sold then and now have the Meike adapter. It works well, no issues.