Canon EOS R7 pre-sales discussion, hypothesizing, and prognosticating

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19382373
Yes! I’m seriously considering getting one too. I think it would make a very nice addition to my R6. I’m going to wait until the reviews come in and more is known about how the sensor performs, but the price sure is right for a second body, and with the R3’s AF system no less!

Hey Levina. I am curious what this R7 brings you that the R6 doesn't offer you? In the back of my mind I have always craved for the R5 to replace my Canon 5D IV but I am very happy with my R6 and never use the Canon 5D IV anymore. So perhaps the R7 would be a cheaper alternative that would add something to the mix. It was really only the higher resolution that was pulling me towards the R5 but the price tag is pushing me right back again - tho hoping the used prices have come down now.

PinholeR5 wrote in post #19382508
It certainly feels disappointing to see the lower resolution EVF.

That said, digging a bit I found that they quote 60 and 120fps for the refresh rate of the EVF. Also, as I suspected, they claim the lag is low as that is driven by the Digic X vs Digic 8 in the RP/R.

This was my thought also.

Brightness also is an issue for a specticals wearer like me also.

The price point is good as is the backwards compatible batteries.

Still a bit bothered about number of shots with wildlife as I tend to spend a lot of time with the eye to the finder waiting for the moment.

First R offering to make me pay attention.

Peter2516 wrote in post #19382172
I don’t think it is more like a 90D RF equivalent, yes same amount of megapixel but it is a brand new sensor and most of the AF was derived from R3, it will be popular as the 7D mark II on RF body. With all the advance features except and for the price tag I am sold. This is a very good offer from Canon, Even after the specs leakage I was expecting it to be around $1899 to $2049. I am glad it is $1499. Cheers

to me as a 90D user...this is totally an RF equivalent...i've been contemplating the r5 recently, as it seems to be the only way to go if i want to join the R family...but this seems to give me something closer to what i'm using with just slight improvements...but it helps make the jump to the new mount....i wish it was a little better though, not going to lie...i'd rather pay 2K for a camera that is a bit better

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19382389
Where I feel the R7 will benefit me are on a few accounts:
- Replace my M50 (longer battery life, dual cards)
- Better AF than my M50 (like real working eye AF instead of the first gen version)
- Nicer ergos I feel (other than dial issues, lack of some buttons)
- 15fps mechanical interests me over the 10 I get now, but probably will hardly ever use 30fps ES.

Not sure what to think about the lack of a grip though, or that strange dial/joystick (but they are related, placement assumes no grip will ever work with the camera).

So even if this isn't a 7D3, I would just continue to use my 5D4 and R6 for that type of work where I would have used the 7D2 (and it helps I sold the 7D2 some time back for the M50), the R7 would come out for wildlife/hobbyist work as needed with details/resolution I cannot get today (24Mpx vs 32Mpx).

I wish more people had gotten time with the camera and posted videos, etc. I guess more will show up over the next few weeks like they did with the R5/6.

kinda amazed how valuable you find your m50...i bought one as a backup, but i barely use it. i would much rather use my 90D than the m50...which also kinda worries me about switching to the R mount

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19382431
Looking at the pictures and reviews it looks like the R7 is slightly smaller than the 90D which was much small than the 7DII.

I personally like a larger camera, my old Rebel was perfect and the 5DIV not bad. the 90D felt smallish and the R7 looks smaller still

mcoren wrote in post #19382657
Another 7D Mark II feature I don't see in the R7 is GPS.

With the new accessory shoe, Canon (or a third party) could make a very small add-in GPS that can be powered from the camera, and can return its data directly to the camera, all through the new contacts in the shoe. Smaller, no batteries, and no external cord like the GP-E2.

who cares about gps?

IMHO the EVF is big killer for R7.
Now did Canon sabotage it so that they can sell external EVF that can be mounted on the hot shoe?
Just a thought.

Or one can simply carry a 2nd battery. It's disappointing to see cameras in 2022 without GPS tagging.

DreDaze wrote in post #19382690
to me as a 90D user...this is totally an RF equivalent...i've been contemplating the r5 recently, as it seems to be the only way to go if i want to join the R family...but this seems to give me something closer to what i'm using with just slight improvements...but it helps make the jump to the new mount....i wish it was a little better though, not going to lie...i'd rather pay 2K for a camera that is a bit better

kinda amazed how valuable you find your m50...i bought one as a backup, but i barely use it. i would much rather use my 90D than the m50...which also kinda worries me about switching to the R mount

who cares about gps?

- The M50 and the fast primes I use all fit in the space of a DSLR and one lens, which is great for travel.

- when the urge strikes me, the M50 acts as a 24Mpx 10fps body using the speedbooster.

- the M50 will AF through at least f11 when using long teles and teleconverters.

- I don’t have any other crop body at this point, sold the 7d2 a long time ago after getting this body.

- eye AF and silent shutter is useful, but is in a limited mode.

- makes for a really nice little video camera with an articulating lcd.

It certainly has its merits especially considering the $500 price tag.

I personally never use GPS, I know where all my shots were taken. But I can see how other would want it. Built in GPS has always been a battery killer. Canon used to have something where you could wifi/BT to your phone from the camera, and then the Canon app would transmit phone GPS to the camera. Perhaps that is still a thing?

DreDaze wrote in post #19382690
to me as a 90D user...this is totally an RF equivalent...i've been contemplating the r5 recently, as it seems to be the only way to go if i want to join the R family...but this seems to give me something closer to what i'm using with just slight improvements...but it helps make the jump to the new mount....i wish it was a little better though, not going to lie...i'd rather pay 2K for a camera that is a bit better

kinda amazed how valuable you find your m50...i bought one as a backup, but i barely use it. i would much rather use my 90D than the m50...which also kinda worries me about switching to the R mount

who cares about gps?

I generally use it.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19382639
I would be shocked if they moved the compositing function into the camera, I wonder if something was mixed up in translation from the source of that text. It could be in camera though, but I would be a bit surprised.

I have used this function, more of a test thing than actual usage in the field.

The source of the text on focus stacking R7 I copied was the link you provided above. Since they are doing panorama in camera, it is not hard to believe they would also do focus stacking in camera. On both of those functions, I would guess it is in jpg mode, and not raw. So would be welcome by some and not by others. We will all see in the near future. Thanks for that link.

I didn’t really use the GPS on the 7DII. I couldn’t get it to lock reliably, even under relatively open sky, and it seemed to eat a lot of battery.

I’m actually a fan of the app method. It’s only as good as the phone’s GPS so it won’t work well indoors or around trees or buildings, anyplace the phone has trouble. But it’s always with me.

I use an app called GeoTagr for iOS. It has a companion macOS app that tags the pics after they’ve been transferred to the Mac. It’s an extra step but I like the program.

That is a quite of bit of new software thrown into that camera's firmware. I am a bit surprised actually. I suspect most people would rather have more buffer size memory RAM than space used for a couple of windows apps to stitch images and stack photos...

On the flip side, I wonder if that stacking can now work with astro? Tell it to not adjust focus at all and stack 200 images...

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19382553
So 2 things, there seems to be 2 new capabilities here not mentioned before: Raw Burst and Pre-Shooting
a) A sequence of shots can be stored into a single file, then later you can pull out individual frames as full sized raw later (new DPP feature?)
b) At half press before you actually engage the shutter, up to a .5 second of images beforehand were recorded and can be stored on the card in case you missed the action with the full press of the shutter.

These are indeed two new and very interesting features.

Taken from this article, not sure if anyone has shared it yet?
https://www.canon.com.​cy …onnor-eos-r7-shoot-story/

If you read further into that article, you will notice the automatic panoramic mode the R7 has, where you just hold down the shutter and move, and it stitches the scene together for you, saving time in post processing. Depending on how well that works, it could be a gimmick or very useful. Again something phones have been doing for quite some time, so Canon seems to be doing a fusion of mobile photography tricks into the R7. Certainly makes sense, now we just need that "Make me old or young" filter too.

So a bit like iphone pics (other smart phones are available). Wife found this feature handy with fireworks; she could post select the best moments at the fireworks burst.

This indeed could be of interest.

Re: Focus Stacking
I have to believe creating the composite image "in-camera" would take an enormous amount of time away from shooting. In my 5d4 when I take a 3 shot HDR I can't shoot again for 7 seconds while the camera compiles the finale image. Imagine processing 20 focus stacked images into 1. Granted, the Digic 10 chip is faster than my Digic 6, but by enough?

Re: GPS
I personally don't need GPS if I drive over to the dog park, or the botanical gardens, etc. But looking back, there have been a few times I wish I had used GPS tracking on a series of images taken over several days. The first example was our trip to Ireland. We did a circle shaped tour of the south side of the country stopping in several cities over 5 days. I wish now I could look back at a map of pins and then see the images taken, location/date/time stamped, along the trip.

Same thing for driving vacations here. Leave Florida, hit a few other states, record and review the trip via GPS coordinates. Lightroom will do that.

And looking back, in addition to using my Canon body I should have at least snapped 1 photo using my phone with GPS tagging turned on. That could essentially create a map of where we were each day or so.

GPS location tagging can be useful from time to time.

chuckmiller wrote in post #19382777
Re: Focus Stacking
I have to believe creating the composite image "in-camera" would take an enormous amount of time away from shooting. In my 5d4 when I take a 3 shot HDR I can't shoot again for 7 seconds while the camera compiles the finale image. Image processing 20 focus stacked images into 1. Granted, the Digic 10 chip is faster than my Digic 6, but by enough?

Re: GPS
I personally don't need GPS if I drive over to the dog park, or the botanical gardens, etc. But looking back, there have been a few times I wish I had used GPS tracking on a series of images taken over several days. The first example was our trip to Ireland. We did a circle shaped tour of the south side of the country stopping in several cities over 5 days. I wish now I could look back at a map of pins and then see the images taken, location/date/time stamped, along the trip.

Same thing for driving vacations here. Leave Florida, hit a few other states, record and review the trip vie GPS coordinates. Lightroom will do that.

And looking back, in addition to using my Canon body I should have at least snapped 1 photo using my phone with GPS tagging turned on. That could essentially create a map of where we were each day or so.

GPS location tagging can be useful from time to time.

That is an interesting idea that could apply to GPS enabled bodies too. Just turn on GPS, take a representative shot of the area you are at, then turn it off. Use those tagged images as markers for the sets of images that follow. This way you save on battery life, yet can use the benefits of in-camera GPS.