Canon EOS R7 pre-sales discussion, hypothesizing, and prognosticating

Wilt wrote in post #19381959
In short, per your comments this is not a 7DII mirrorless , but one aimed at the 90D user.

I was rather disappointed at the 2.4Mdot EVF and no mention about update framerate, and the specs give no hint about things like joystick control.

Correct, I suspect there will be, in about 1 year, a higher "flagship" APS-C that Canon brings out, with the BSI sensor, more buttons, top display, better EVF, etc, there is certainly alot of room to do this given the R7 specs. Maybe something along the lines of the R3 form factor even?

That is the only thing that makes sense given these two cameras right now. Just like the RP/R were stop gaps initially, and then the R5/R6 came out "shortly" after, I think the same thing is happening here. Get revenue from these two models for a year or so, and then come out with a newer high end APS-C that will price around $2100 or so.

The price of $1500 isn't too bad, and I often thought about looking at the M6II, so the R7 is a better overall camera in form and function over the M6II IMO, so I will watch the R7 reviews. The R10 holds no interest for me anyways.

I’m not caught up. Any mention about blackout, the ability to turn IBIS off while leaving IS on and controlling E shutter burst rates?

Thanks in advance.

digital paradise wrote in post #19381983
I’m not caught up. Any mention about blackout, the ability to turn IBIS off while leaving IS on and controlling E shutter burst rates?

Thanks in advance.

a) not sure if it has been mentioned, but it does have the same resolution EVF as the RP and M50, so there is that? Does that mean the lag is as bad, or will be as fast as we are used to on the R5/R6?
b) No mention of that, but I don't see Canon changing that here at this point.
c) No way to control ES burst rates based on previews.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19381984
a) not sure if it has been mentioned, but it does have the same resolution EVF as the RP and M50, so there is that? Does that mean the lag is as bad, or will be as fast as we are used to on the R5/R6?
b) No mention of that, but I don't see Canon changing that here at this point.
c) No way to control ES burst rates based on previews.

Thanks. Couple of key areas to get me interested.

In the heat of the moment I placed a R7 pre-order with Adorama just after 11pm MT. I’ve got some Amazon gift cards burning a hole in my e-mail, but the R7 is not shown there yet. Not totally sure I’ll keep the pre-order. Interested to see more info on IQ, buffer performance, and how customizable the buttons are.

The Safari video showed customization for shutter, movie, M-fn, AF-on, *, AF pattern, ring (not sure if this is lens ring or something else; I've read that the lens rings are programmable), L-fn whatever that is, up-arrow and left-arrow (maybe those are the top buttons?). Of course a lot comes down to what is available for each of those customizations.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19381977
I customize all available buttons to set up the cameras the way I want them to work. Having fewer physical buttons available means much fewer customizations. Also from the previews, even the 4 way round controller cannot be reprogrammed, something that can be done even on a $500 Canon mirrorless today, which further hinders operation for me, if that is truly the case.

The M50, R6, etc allow just about every single button and dial to be customized. This is nice because I can then set up every camera to be pretty close to each other. I always use the DOF preview as a one shot/ai servo switch, the * button to be an alternative AF ON set up, etc. The more buttons the merrier, and at least allow all items (other than menu perhaps) to be customizeable.

My main concern is the lower quality EVF. Once the real reviews flow in, we'll see what the R7 weaknesses are, and what the deal-breakers are.

I was quite disappointed the R7 is more an upgrade to the 90D vs 7D2.

My feeling is that yes, this is label a 7 series, but is clearly more akin to a 10 series.
The R10 interestingly is using a rebel sensor and battery, so it's a lot closer to a 100 series.

As with all R series thus far, Canon is not filling the exact same shoes as it used to with DSLRs. So they've all shifted a bit. 5 series has been the most similar.

Wilt wrote in post #19381959
In short, per your comments this is not a 7DII mirrorless , but one aimed at the 90D user.

I was rather disappointed at the 2.4Mdot EVF and no mention about update framerate, and the specs give no hint about things like joystick control.

I concur. The 7DII and the 5D3 side by side were virtually identical ergonomically, and he 7DII had many aspects that were superior to the 5D3. The 5D4 which came later added a bunch of features that moved it ahead of the 7D2, but they still felt almost identical in hand. 7DII was still faster (FPS) than 5D4.

So if the R7 was to be in fact just like the previous 7 series in position, it would be faster than the R5, have AF features that put it right up there with the 1D (in this case R3) and it would have pretty much all of the R5 body and layout.

Sort of reminds me of 50D users waiting to see a magnificent '60D' but.... Didn't lol

I feel the R7mkII will be more in line with what many of us (7D2 owners) had hoped for. But will wait another 3 yrs...

It hits most of my buttons. Still undecided about the lack of pop-up flash. My 7D2 will trigger my 430EXii but the R7 won't (unless I use PWs).

Immaculens wrote in post #19382025
Sort of reminds me of 50D users waiting to see a magnificent '60D' but.... Didn't lol

I feel the R7mkII will be more in line with what many of us (7D2 owners) had hoped for. But will wait another 3 yrs...

It could be, the 7D was ok and all, but the 7D2 was more than incrementally (in the usual Canon sense) better.

I placed my R7 pre-order with B&H Photo.

I was gung-ho on buying the R5 and saved my money for it. Mostly to be used for air shows with my 300 f2.8 IS II and extenders.
I figured the extra 15mp over my 5D4 would be useful for cropping those little aerobatic planes high in the sky.

But then the R7 came along and may be a better tool for me. Extra pixel density for cropping subjects at a distance.
And much less expensive than the R5. Not sure how the small buffer of the R7 will affect my shooting. Time will tell.

Over at DPR a forum member claims that his camera shop said the R7 will start shipping on June 23. And that Rudy Winston
said there are no plans to make a grip for the R7. No way to confirm any of this, so take it with a grain of salt.

Perfectly Frank wrote in post #19382063
Over at DPR a forum member claims that his camera shop said the R7 will start shipping on June 23. And that Rudy Winston
said there are no plans to make a grip for the R7. No way to confirm any of this, so take it with a grain of salt.

Here's what the Canon Japan site says (via in-browser translate):