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Canon EOS R7 pre-sales discussion, hypothesizing, and prognosticating

 
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May 24, 2022 18:53 |  #61

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I was watching a YT video and they mentioned the R7 will come with a lens adapter for people who preorder. I think it's just some areas and not everyone will receive this. Does anyone have more info on that?

The Canon UK site is advertising a "Launch offer with Canon Mount Adapter EF-EOS R" but nothing on Canon USA's site at this time.


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May 24, 2022 20:30 |  #62

The R7 is definitively interesting to me. Submitted a pre-order.

I use my R5 in crop mode quite a bit for wildlife. A lot of times I prefer it over the R3 because of the extra reach in 1.6 crop (or cropping in post). Now, having the "same" AF system as the R3, Digic X, etc, (of course not the same lens driving capability as the R3, sensor not as good, etc) with the 32.5MP vs the 17.3MP of the R5 in crop mode is exciting.

I do agree with many that a more capable R7, even at a higher US$2000-$2500 price tag, would be preferable. I can understand Canon concentrating on a more mass market set of products with higher volume at lower price points trying to bring as many DSLR owners over to RF as possible while establishing higher price point expectations and enhancing profitability in a declining market.

For me, the main issues I'll have to overcome are

1- Two dials for setting exposure. With the R5 I've really gotten spoiled on that. I've tried to mimic it with the Control Ring on the R and RP, which is sort of ok for adapted EF lenses. However, RF lenses are inconsistent with the placement of the control ring, and when it is at the front of the lens I find it very hard to use for exposure control

2 - The EVF being the lower grade version from the RP/M50. Perhaps not as bad as the first item for me, but that will depend on lag, blackout, etc. Regardless, though, very disappointing.

Other things are mostly on the nice to have, but not deal-breaker annoyances (hopefully, one never knows until you buy it and realize it drives you nuts)

3 - Non-stacked sensor/rolling shutter. This can become a major issue if it is much worse than the R5. Some of the examples I saw in the various YT videos looked pretty bad. Then again, I've seen plenty of horrible R5 examples. However, I've come to transition to almost exclusively e-shutter on the R5. Also, the 15fps can solve the rolling shutter issue. Unless (see next)

4 - No battery grip. I've gotten used to not having the grip when traveling to save space, so not a huge issue. However, this can be a much bigger issue if we find out that 15fps only works with LP-E6NH when charged at 60% or more. Then it will be really annoying and makes it harder to be used as an alternative to avoid rolling shutter when needed.

5 - Placement of the dial around the joystick. My first reaction is _what were you thinking?!?!_. But perhaps it can work and less distance for the thumb to travel between the joystick and the dial. This will have to be tested. I know that not having it in the regular place will annoy me for a while.

6 - Fewer buttons. Not sure about this one. There seems to be inconsistent information about the programmability of the bottom 4-way control pad. The lack of three control dials is my main issue. The shutter/AF-ON/* button combo is there for the AF methods and the rest of my programmed buttons are not as important, though still annoying to have fewer.

A lot of these issues will be on the wait and see when I try for myself. But I'm sure I'll be eagerly watching out for any new info until I get my hands on it.




  
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May 24, 2022 21:27 |  #63

mcoren wrote in post #19382104 (external link)
The Canon UK site is advertising a "Launch offer with Canon Mount Adapter EF-EOS R" but nothing on Canon USA's site at this time.

Same thing they did with R5/6. Adapter bundled in Euro market (or more like non-US market)


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May 24, 2022 22:45 |  #64

was hoping for a less expensive 2nd camera for the track, have the R5 and my 5DM4 (which I haven't used there yet). I want to have newer remote/wifi capable cameras for remote shooting across the track, and not needing a pocket wizard.

The buffer issue might be a deal breaker though.




  
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May 24, 2022 22:59 |  #65

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It's more a 90D RF equivalent than the 7D3 that was hoped for. With that rumored spec way back, it makes sense it wouldn't quite be as worthy a successor to the 7D2, despite its price point being what the 7D2 was. I think this means Canon is hoping to release a flagship APS-C in the future.

This first APS-C release feels much like the R/RP release of yore, and there is more to come.

I don’t think it is more like a 90D RF equivalent, yes same amount of megapixel but it is a brand new sensor and most of the AF was derived from R3, it will be popular as the 7D mark II on RF body. With all the advance features except and for the price tag I am sold. This is a very good offer from Canon, Even after the specs leakage I was expecting it to be around $1899 to $2049. I am glad it is $1499. Cheers


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May 24, 2022 23:03 |  #66

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I will not be buying the R7, looks like a toy. The whole reveal video to me looks so unprofessional (who are they actually marketing this toward?). The back of the camera has so few buttons it looks like it is missing stuff. This is like a 90D + EVF + digic X + ibis. To me this is a money grab, I agree that this subpar offering is just to fill a notch until a higher end aps-c RF body comes out later. Heck with the people waiting for the crop wildlife camera, let's wait some more! The last feature that I totally did not need (and certainly would not pay for) is Auto leveling but then again I realize there is a need for this.

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May 24, 2022 23:18 |  #67

mcoren wrote in post #19381945 (external link)
I preordered from a local camera shop and they didn’t say anything about that, but it was only added to the store’s computer today and I was their first preorder.

Which store? I also pre ordered in our local store and nothing in their website regarding this offer. I will call them tomorrow bit would love to know which store so I can tell them as reference. Thanks


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May 25, 2022 00:38 |  #68

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May 25, 2022 01:26 |  #69

At 70 years old, and still shooting with a 70D body, the R7 is all the camera that I'll probably ever need.
Obviously, I'm just an enthusiast, and shall remain so. Looking at the specs, it'll have plenty of controls, and capability for me (perhaps the R7 is marketed towards people like me ?)

As Levina and I discussed in the previous thread, sometimes a person just has to jump into the pool, and get wet ! :-D
With that in mind, I pre-ordered the R7 body from B&H tonight.


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May 25, 2022 02:39 |  #70

So much hate on a camera.. :( but i think the price is reasonable and the features are quite nice. I agree it lacks certain things but at this price point you can't expect to get everything included. If i can afford it in the future i might add it as a seconday camera to my R5. It would be a setup much like i had in the past with a 7D2 and a 5D3 but in a mirrorless configuration.

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May 25, 2022 02:50 |  #71

Magnus3D wrote in post #19382195 (external link)
So much hate on a camera.. :( but i think the price is reasonable and the features are quite nice. I agree it lacks certain things but at this price point you can't expect to get everything included. If i can afford it in the future i might add it as a seconday camera to my R5. It would be a setup much like i had in the past with a 7D2 and a 5D3 but in a mirrorless configuration.

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I agree. It may not have flagship features, but has everything that is needed for the wild life and bird photography.
Now only the performance is in the same lines and it's a great camera for everyone.
I will wait for real life reviews till I consider buying one. Until then R5 rocks.


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May 25, 2022 05:42 |  #72

Once Hunts Photo in Boston has one for rent I will rent it for a week or two to see if I like it. for now I will continue to use my 5D4, 7DII, and 90D (oh and occasionally my 5D classic)


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May 25, 2022 07:31 |  #73

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Hate? Really? Perhaps we could use less extreme exaggeration here, please. People have different desires and interest in camera use and function, and just because one doesn’t agree with another, let’s not play the liberal card and label disagreeable comments and opinions as hate.

The camera does some things well and others not, and we can have nice civil discussions about these pluses and minuses.

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May 25, 2022 07:58 as a reply to  @ Mike Dodd's post |  #74

In the past few years, there has been the tendency to try to disrupt good honest debates by labeling opposing views as hateful, with many articles across mainstream sources. Articles exist like "Debate ends when we label views we simply disagree with as ‘hatred’", amongst many others, across various media outlets. There is a certain demographic that shows this propensity more than others.

In any case, it doesn't matter what the source of such comments are. There is no reason for ANYONE here to start calling opinions of others about a camera as being hateful. We are just having a good honest discussion of what the R7 is, and is not, and there is no need to try to make it all dramatic.

Just like the R and RP were good initial FF offerings for the R mount, the R7 and R10 are good first offerings too. I just have to believe there indeed will yet be another higher end APS-C more akin to the reputation of the 7D2 coming in the future. We are now missing only two cameras in the Canon lineup, a higher resolution maybe a bit slower FF (R1?), and a higher end APS-C (R4?).

R1 = Flagship high resolution FF <-?
R3 = Flagship sports oriented FF
R4 = Flagship APSC <-?
R5 = Perfect all arounder FF
R6 = Lower cost lower resolution all arounder FF
R7 = Hybrid XXD/XD APS-C
R10 = Rebel/SL/M series APS-C

There might even be something that can fit in that R8/R9 area yet too, who knows? Probably depends on what the competition puts out before Canon fills those gaps.


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May 25, 2022 08:52 |  #75

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19382280 (external link)
In the past few years, there has been the tendency to try to disrupt good honest debates by labeling opposing views as hateful, with many articles across mainstream sources. Articles exist like "Debate ends when we label views we simply disagree with as ‘hatred’", amongst many others, across various media outlets. There is a certain demographic that shows this propensity more than others.

In any case, it doesn't matter what the source of such comments are. There is no reason for ANYONE here to start calling opinions of others about a camera as being hateful. We are just having a good honest discussion of what the R7 is, and is not, and there is no need to try to make it all dramatic.

Just like the R and RP were good initial FF offerings for the R mount, the R7 and R10 are good first offerings too. I just have to believe there indeed will yet be another higher end APS-C more akin to the reputation of the 7D2 coming in the future. We are now missing only two cameras in the Canon lineup, a higher resolution maybe a bit slower FF (R1?), and a higher end APS-C (R4?).

R1 = Flagship high resolution FF <-?
R3 = Flagship sports oriented FF
R4 = Flagship APSC <-?
R5 = Perfect all arounder FF
R6 = Lower cost lower resolution all arounder FF
R7 = Hybrid XXD/XD APS-C
R10 = Rebel/SL/M series APS-C

There might even be something that can fit in that R8/R9 area yet too, who knows? Probably depends on what the competition puts out before Canon fills those gaps.

Teamspeed you are so knowledgeable Canon should hire you. You know everything about them even their planning.


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