Canon EOS R7 pre-sales discussion, hypothesizing, and prognosticating

Magnus3D wrote in post #19382195
So much hate on a camera.. but i think the price is reasonable and the features are quite nice. I agree it lacks certain things but at this price point you can't expect to get everything included. If i can afford it in the future i might add it as a seconday camera to my R5. It would be a setup much like i had in the past with a 7D2 and a 5D3 but in a mirrorless configuration.

/ Magnus

I owned a 7D and a 7Dii and reading about the R7 makes me feel like they threw this together just to get it out there on the market quick (can you say EOS R? Hmmmmm) and didn't give a lot of thought to their model hierarchy or numbering system. This model doesn't seem to fit in the 7 slot. Even the price doesn't fit as my 7Dii cost a bunch more and that was long ago now.

They should have just called it an R8 and then everyone would have been happier!

Optiq wrote in post #19382293
I owned a 7D and a 7Dii and reading about the R7 makes me feel like they threw this together just to get it out there on the market quick (can you say EOS R? Hmmmmm) and didn't give a lot of thought to their model hierarchy or numbering system. This model doesn't seem to fit in the 7 slot. Even the price doesn't fit as my 7Dii cost a bunch more and that was long ago now.

They should have just called it an R8 and then everyone would have been happier!

Kinda funny, but yes, maybe that would have been better, then reserve the R7 for the higher end APS-C, if there will ever be one. It will be interesting to see the sports/action/wildlife shooter reviews once this hits more hands, than just Canon spokespeople.

The R7 interests me as an M50 replacement, for the battery life, dual SD, and better eye AF over the M50, so that is my thoughts on my further progression into the R mount. However it will be hard to get rid of the M glass I have, the entire set of lenses and body all fit into such a small bag today for travel.

Peter2516 wrote in post #19382292
Teamspeed you are so knowledgeable Canon should hire you. You know everything about them even their planning.

Patronization noted and accepted!

Optiq wrote in post #19382293
I owned a 7D and a 7Dii and reading about the R7 makes me feel like they threw this together just to get it out there on the market quick (can you say EOS R? Hmmmmm) and didn't give a lot of thought to their model hierarchy or numbering system. This model doesn't seem to fit in the 7 slot. Even the price doesn't fit as my 7Dii cost a bunch more and that was long ago now.

They should have just called it an R8 and then everyone would have been happier!

Agreed! Now to wait yet another 2-3 yrs for the apsc worthy 7D2 successor...

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19382236
Once Hunts Photo in Boston has one for rent I will rent it for a week or two to see if I like it. for now I will continue to use my 5D4, 7DII, and 90D (oh and occasionally my 5D classic)

Have you been able to find any new sites to shoot from? I know in the past, some of the wildlife areas have been pretty remote for your access. Currently having the 90D, you already know how helpful that resolution is going to be, so I assume you are most interested in going from 10fps to 15fps and the eye AF?

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19382022
I concur. The 7DII and the 5D3 side by side were virtually identical ergonomically, and he 7DII had many aspects that were superior to the 5D3. The 5D4 which came later added a bunch of features that moved it ahead of the 7D2, but they still felt almost identical in hand. 7DII was still faster (FPS) than 5D4.

So if the R7 was to be in fact just like the previous 7 series in position, it would be faster than the R5, have AF features that put it right up there with the 1D (in this case R3) and it would have pretty much all of the R5 body and layout.

Yup agreed big time. My only concerns is that the camera looks pretty small. That means you are going to need a Mono pad when using a bigger lens and especially a super tele....This is a camera I think I will get...I would want it for wildlife needs only and at $1500 its cheap enough and it looks like you get auto eye focus for wildlife....looks ike a win win to me.....gonna get one in my hands and see how it feels

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19382280
In the past few years, there has been the tendency to try to disrupt good honest debates by labeling opposing views as hateful, with many articles across mainstream sources. Articles exist like "Debate ends when we label views we simply disagree with as ‘hatred’", amongst many others, across various media outlets. There is a certain demographic that shows this propensity more than others.

In any case, it doesn't matter what the source of such comments are. There is no reason for ANYONE here to start calling opinions of others about a camera as being hateful. We are just having a good honest discussion of what the R7 is, and is not, and there is no need to try to make it all dramatic.

Just like the R and RP were good initial FF offerings for the R mount, the R7 and R10 are good first offerings too. I just have to believe there indeed will yet be another higher end APS-C more akin to the reputation of the 7D2 coming in the future. We are now missing only two cameras in the Canon lineup, a higher resolution maybe a bit slower FF (R1?), and a higher end APS-C (R4?).

R1 = Flagship high resolution FF <-?
R3 = Flagship sports oriented FF
R4 = Flagship APSC <-?
R5 = Perfect all arounder FF
R6 = Lower cost lower resolution all arounder FF
R7 = Hybrid XXD/XD APS-C
R10 = Rebel/SL/M series APS-C

There might even be something that can fit in that R8/R9 area yet too, who knows? Probably depends on what the competition puts out before Canon fills those gaps.

Why no R2...oh wait! LOL

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19382206
Hate? Really? Perhaps we could use less extreme exaggeration here, please. People have different desires and interest in camera use and function, and just because one doesn’t agree with another, let’s not play the liberal card and label disagreeable comments and opinions as hate.

The camera does some things well and others not, and we can have nice civil discussions about these pluses and minuses.

Please don't do that. It weakens your argument, and is a false statement anyway. Very poor taste.

Peter2516 wrote in post #19382172
I don’t think it is more like a 90D RF equivalent, yes same amount of megapixel but it is a brand new sensor and most of the AF was derived from R3, it will be popular as the 7D mark II on RF body. With all the advance features except and for the price tag I am sold. This is a very good offer from Canon, Even after the specs leakage I was expecting it to be around $1899 to $2049. I am glad it is $1499. Cheers

Jury is out on this one, as we have few details nor extensive review, which would cover whether or not it has other features of interest to professional/advanced amateur shooters who have been the target of the 'prosumer' grade cameras. For example, the 6D has never been 'prosumer'...it lacked certain features found in the 7D/7DII and 5Dn series. Certainly the fact it has only 2.4Mdot EVF (and unstated update rate) like the R/RP vs. the faster frame rate higher dot count of R5/6 is an indicator of where it stands in the Canon lineup.
Just as there is a market for the 6D and a different market for the 5D, one exists for the R7 and one also for a higher end brother.

Whew! that's some angry reaction to my comment, not quite what i expected but okay..

I was just expressing my opinion on the general mood i detected in this thread, it was not directed towards one specific person although it looks it struck a sensitive nerve.

If it offended someone i apologize and i am sorry, i'll be silent and let you guys have your fun in this thread now.

/ Magnus

Nothing offensive, just that the "hate" word is thrown around so much, in addition to "toxic", etc. those get thrown around everywhere, and using those terms leave nothing left on the table for when those things actually happen or are more egregious. There are so many levels of commentary in between with correspondingly good adjectives.

I don't see anyone hating on the new cameras at all. Just general comments about what seems strange design decisions, or missing features, and how these stack up (or don't) against the existing bodies like the 90D, M6II, etc. I think if anything, we are all very intrigued and curious about how this plays out in the real world. It's good to see Rudy in the middle of everything, despite his Canon employment, he always seemed to be a pretty reasonable voice around Canon releases, IMO.

I am happy this R7 is using the LP-E6, excellent decision there. The R10 using the LP-E17 is going to be a bit rough, battery life is going to really take a hit I feel. Even with every single ECO mode or setting turned on, preview off, etc, I feel that the battery is only going to really be good for a couple hundred shots. That is ok for some situations, not for others.

Magnus3D wrote in post #19382195
So much hate on a camera.. but i think the price is reasonable and the features are quite nice. I agree it lacks certain things but at this price point you can't expect to get everything included. If i can afford it in the future i might add it as a seconday camera to my R5. It would be a setup much like i had in the past with a 7D2 and a 5D3 but in a mirrorless configuration.

/ Magnus

Magnus3D wrote in post #19382331
Whew! that's some angry reaction to my comment, not quite what i expected but okay..

I was just expressing my opinion on the general mood i detected in this thread, it was not directed towards one specific person although it looks it struck a sensitive nerve.

If it offended someone i apologize and i am sorry, i'll be silent and let you guys have your fun in this thread now.

/ Magnus

I re-read this entire thread, including reactions to your second post response, and I can detect no hatred expression...merely DISAPPOINTMENT that certain features are aimed more for the 90D market, rather than for the higher end APS-C market 7DII, and HOPE for the 7DII mirrorless to come.
I was disappointed at the R and RP, and quite satisfied with the R5/R6 (except for the R5 being hopelessly beyond what I would spend).

OK, back to the EOS R7

I see no hate in this thread, and we are all as liberal, conservative or moderate as we chose.

I know I am one that posted an opinion that this feels more like a mirrorless 90D than a 7 series, an opinion that included absolutely no grievance, just my view.

That said, as an example that pointing out the obvious does not equate to hatred, I am very much intrigued, and considering an R7 as a 2nd mirrorless body! (Personally, I was/am more disappointed by the R3's sensor/MP. That one spec combined with the cost prevented my from making the R3 my 2nd R. )

What I LOVE about the R7 is the price point! This is what a 10D cost in 2004! That's pretty damn amazing. Unlike the R3 I don't have to consider it's few detractions vs. exorbitant costs. This makes the R7 a much more appealing and easy to swallow compromise. (all cameras are a compromise of some sort)

Having watched the prices of R bodies, and worse, RF lenses, I honestly did not think Canon still had in it them to position cameras for the masses. Certainly ones that still contain fantastic advanced AF features!


Also, the 18-135mm being one of my favorite do all lenses, this new kit lens looks like a no brainer!

I'm interested in the R7 too. I was looking at an R5 or R6 to go with my R. I'm actually pretty happy with the R for most things but for fast moving subjects it's terrible.

With the R6, I'm a little turned off by the 20mp. The R5 is probably overkill for me. R7 seems like a good choice for me.

I can keep my R for landscapes etc and add an R7 for tele to replace my 7d2.