Canon EOS R7 pre-sales discussion, hypothesizing, and prognosticating

PinholeR5 wrote in post #19396113
Weird, I can see it and it lists it in stock:

https://shop.usa.canon​.com …mm-f35-63-is-stm-lens-kit

The kit may actually be in stock. But I just called and confirmed that the body only is NOT in stock even though Canon Pricewatch has relisted it as in stock because the Canon Direct web site shows that it is and I put it in my cart again. It shows in stock in my cart but before placing the order I called to confirm; it's NOT in stock. No wonder they can't get the R5 fixed. (I know it's totally different software engineers vs web master but it's the same CEO.) Not going back.

GAJoe wrote in post #19396130
The kit may actually be in stock. But I just called and confirmed that the body only is NOT in stock even though Canon Pricewatch has relisted it as in stock because the Canon Direct web site shows that it is and I put it in my cart again. It shows in stock in my cart but before placing the order I called to confirm; it's NOT in stock. No wonder they can't get the R5 fixed. (I know it's totally different software engineers vs web master but it's the same CEO.) Not going back.

I totally agree. The Canon USA store website is a joke.

PinholeR5 wrote in post #19396113
Weird, I can see it and it lists it in stock:

https://shop.usa.canon​.com …mm-f35-63-is-stm-lens-kit

Thanks. I checked Canon USA again and the kit is there. But this time when I put it in my cart
it says backordered (it didn't say that a couple of hours ago).

I feel like I'm going around in circles.

John Sheehy wrote in post #19395970
The phase-detect AF of the mirrorless cameras doesn't see OOF contrast with as much depth as DSLR AF points under the mirror at staggered depths. The mirrorless sensor has shallower focus depth with the same lens, when the lens is wide open.

The R7 offers the possibility of stopping down during live view and AF, but this is probably only useful if you want your exposures stopped down, too.

These cameras use the same phase detection as a DSLR for autofocusing via dual pixel focusing.
https://www.androidaut​hority.com …ofocus-explained-1102293/

Perfectly Frank wrote in post #19396163
Thanks. I checked Canon USA again and the kit is there. But this time when I put it in my cart
it says backordered (it didn't say that a couple of hours ago).

I feel like I'm going around in circles.

I know the feeling. I got off the ride.

GAJoe wrote in post #19396182
I know the feeling. I got off the ride.

Yeah, I'm NOT falling for that again...leave me alone you BOTS!

Capn Jack wrote in post #19396180
These cameras use the same phase detection as a DSLR for autofocusing via dual pixel focusing.
https://www.androidaut​hority.com …ofocus-explained-1102293/

Thanks for posting that link. Interesting, I never thought about the impact of smaller pixels on PDAF, like you get on an APS-C sensor. According to the article, DPAF should help mitigate this somewhat.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19395698
Damn, the shop where I have pre-ordered now has the R7 kit with the 18-150mm in stock! At € 1919.99. I have zero interest in the lens. I’m not doing it. But grrrrr…

In the US body only is $1499, kit with 18-150mm is $1899, RF 18-150mm lens alone is $499. I got offered a deal on the R7 with lens for $1829 and to get in on the first batch released. Got my tracking info on Thursday and it should be here next week.

While I really don’t need the lens, getting it for “just” $330 AND satisfying my need for (almost) instant gratification, I went for it.

I have the RF 24-240mm and RF 100-400mm lenses and have been very impressed with them. Hoping the 18-150mm is on par and if so, the R7, 18-150mm, and 100-400mm will make a pretty versatile kit with a relatively low cost risk should it be lost/stolen.


High hopes from an owner of R5 and R6. R5 see little use and if I don’t have an issue with the control differences, I see myself selling off the R5 as well as my M6 II and EF-M lenses. RF 100-500mm and cash in my pocket may be in my future once the dust settles.

^
Same sort of deal here and it’s not bad but I decided to wait. Not that there was any time to deliberate yes-no?, yes-no?, because what little stock they had was gone within minutes.

I had hoped that I got in fast enough that I actually had an R7 on the way,. Unlike many of you, my order went through 100%,. and it said it would be here in three days.

Now however, when I log in it says it's backordered. Ah well. I've had luck with Canon USA website in the past, sometimes they get things in stock first. But obviously, this time it's all just hooey.

The two most disappointing aspects of the R7, IMO, are:

(One): Locating the On/Off Switch on the right top, which has been traditionally upper left side of all or most Canon camera's, even though there is ample blank space on the left of the R7.

(Two): The absence of the Secondary Control Dial, as on the R5, (where the On/Off switch now resides on the R7).

The R5’s configuration is ideal for Manual users, as with the Secondary Control Dial set to control ISO, and the Main, & Primary Control dials in their traditional function of setting Shutter-speed, and Aperture, all three manual exposure parameters could be controlled quickly, and easily with the fingers of one hand.

On the R7 the only dial that can be configured to adjust ISO is the Lens Control Dial, a far more awkward scenario.

I suspect some of the R7’s control functions will be met with the same enthusiasm—or lack thereof of the R’s infamous Touch Sensitive M-Fn bar!

Above is IMO--- Feel free to disagree.

Leigh wrote in post #19396426
The two most disappointing aspects of the R7, IMO, are:

(One): Locating the On/Off Switch on the right top, which has been traditionally upper left side of all or most Canon camera's, even though there is ample blank space on the left of the R7.

(Two): The absence of the Secondary Control Dial, as on the R5, (where the On/Off switch now resides on the R7).

The R5’s configuration is ideal for Manual users, as with the Secondary Control Dial set to control ISO, and the Main, & Primary Control dials in their traditional function of setting Shutter-speed, and Aperture, all three manual exposure parameters could be controlled quickly, and easily with the fingers of one hand.

On the R7 the only dial that can be configured to adjust ISO is the Lens Control Dial, a far more awkward scenario.

I suspect some of the R7’s control functions will be met with the same enthusiasm—or lack thereof of the R’s infamous Touch Sensitive M-Fn bar!

Above is IMO--- Feel free to disagree.

Agree about the on/off switch. It’s located right in the middle of a “high traffic” area with other buttons and dials.

OTOH, I once read an R6 review by an admitted Nikon fan, who was very positive about the camera in general but said they wished the on/off switch was on the right side so they could easily switch it off and on between shoots without needing a second hand. No matter what you do, somebody’s going to be unhappy!

Leigh wrote in post #19396426
The two most disappointing aspects of the R7, IMO, are:

(One): Locating the On/Off Switch on the right top, which has been traditionally upper left side of all or most Canon camera's, even though there is ample blank space on the left of the R7.

(Two): The absence of the Secondary Control Dial, as on the R5, (where the On/Off switch now resides on the R7).

The R5’s configuration is ideal for Manual users, as with the Secondary Control Dial set to control ISO, and the Main, & Primary Control dials in their traditional function of setting Shutter-speed, and Aperture, all three manual exposure parameters could be controlled quickly, and easily with the fingers of one hand.

On the R7 the only dial that can be configured to adjust ISO is the Lens Control Dial, a far more awkward scenario.

I suspect some of the R7’s control functions will be met with the same enthusiasm—or lack thereof of the R’s infamous Touch Sensitive M-Fn bar!

Above is IMO--- Feel free to disagree.

The only problem I have with all of this is that I am an AV and TV shooter when it comes to wildlife.....mostly TV.....If auto Iso works well and I can set ISO parameters to 12800 max ISO....none of that matters to many wildlife shooters like me....Its all about shutter speed and letting it land where it want to land in your parameters.....pretty sure you can do this with any Canon camera.

Just got back from Hunts Photo, their Providence location. I rented an R7 Thursday for pickup tomorrow but asked them if I could get it today, they said yes.

I mentioned that if I like it I am going to buy it they told me that they had one with lens left and that Canon told them it would be at LEAST a month before the body only come in. I could get the one with lens and not open it while I used the rental one and then if I don't like it I can just return the unopened R7. I have never minded having too many lenses and if I do like it I won't want to wait so I brought it home with me.
I have the rental for 10 days, including all the 4th of July Parades and fireworks.

first impression, the body is smaller than my 90D, I cannot get 3 fingers on the grip, the pinky hangs below. Also looking inside the battery compartment there are no contacts for a battery grip.

second impression, the shutter sound on the electronic shutter, you can turn it on or off, I like to hear it.

Following is very approximate for the number of seconds as I just watched my second hand on my watch.

burst rate, Electronic 1st curtain
15 fps and 7 fps
RAW+ Large JPG HS+ 42 seemed to be 2.5 seconds. Must be mechanical
HS 80 about 10 seconds

Electronic
Raw + L JPG H+ 42 about 1 second >30
H 48 about 2.5 seconds 19.2

C Raw + L JPG H+ 74 about 4 seconds maybe 18 fps??
H 126 in about 8 seconds 15 fps

Mechanical

C Raw + L JPG H+ 142 in 10 seconds about 15 fps
H 184 stopped after 30 seconds it was still going about 6 fps


RAW + L JPG H+ 46 in ~ 3 seconds 15 fps +
H 100 in ~ 10 seconds 10 fps

AF bird eye AF seems very good, a couple times it grabbed the background rather than the birds at the feeder, I have it set for full screen AF with Animal Eye AF

NOW TO READ THE MANUAL!!

Leigh wrote in post #19396426
The two most disappointing aspects of the R7, IMO, are:

(One): Locating the On/Off Switch on the right top, which has been traditionally upper left side of all or most Canon camera's, even though there is ample blank space on the left of the R7.

(Two): The absence of the Secondary Control Dial, as on the R5, (where the On/Off switch now resides on the R7).

The R5’s configuration is ideal for Manual users, as with the Secondary Control Dial set to control ISO, and the Main, & Primary Control dials in their traditional function of setting Shutter-speed, and Aperture, all three manual exposure parameters could be controlled quickly, and easily with the fingers of one hand.

On the R7 the only dial that can be configured to adjust ISO is the Lens Control Dial, a far more awkward scenario.

I suspect some of the R7’s control functions will be met with the same enthusiasm—or lack thereof of the R’s infamous Touch Sensitive M-Fn bar!

Above is IMO--- Feel free to disagree.

The whole button layout looks weird to me. Its going to take some getting used to. Not sure why Canon chose this alien layout.