Canon EOS R7 pre-sales discussion, hypothesizing, and prognosticating

I'm kind of like a couple of others here. With the placement of that JS/dial, I'm not sure they can build a grip and retain the ergonomics, which is why (I think) the others feel the same but didn't say that specifically. Somebody in engineering out-thought themselves and dug a hole nobody knew was there until it was too late to fill it back up. That would be my bet.

Peter2516 wrote in post #19382392
Watched so many reviews so far, coincidentally I was also in Orlando area while this reviewers like Jared Polin, if I have known they are going to be Gatorland I will go there and for sure I will see the r7 in person but I wasn’t aware of the event ha ha. But I saw the rare Yellow Cardinal though my main target flying from Seattle to Florida and come back the next day. What a fun trip.

I thought I saw somewhere that Canon start shipping in June 23.

That would have been fun, perhaps a cameo appearance, like "hey I am an avid POTNer and I noticed you are shooting with the new R7?". See if it made the final cut, lol?

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19382430
Someone needs to pop open an R7 and look inside to see if the connections are there or not. I assume not with al this talk about no grip, but if they are there, it's more a matter of no grip YET.

Oh that is indeed a good idea, to see if the pins, etc all exist past the battery.

Wilt wrote in post #19382329
Jury is out on this one, as we have few details nor extensive review, which would cover whether or not it has other features of interest to professional/advanced amateur shooters who have been the target of the 'prosumer' grade cameras. For example, the 6D has never been 'prosumer'...it lacked certain features found in the 7D/7DII and 5Dn series. Certainly the fact it has only 2.4Mdot EVF (and unstated update rate) like the R/RP vs. the faster frame rate higher dot count of R5/6 is an indicator of where it stands in the Canon lineup.
Just as there is a market for the 6D and a different market for the 5D, one exists for the R7 and one also for a higher end brother.

It certainly feels disappointing to see the lower resolution EVF.

That said, digging a bit I found that they quote 60 and 120fps for the refresh rate of the EVF. Also, as I suspected, they claim the lag is low as that is driven by the Digic X vs Digic 8 in the RP/R.

https://en.canon-me.com …as/eos-r7/specifications/

Refresh rate and latency are the most important aspects for me. If those are lacking it is really hard to use the camera for sports/wildlife. BIF in particular comes to mind.

If the refresh rate and lag are really on par with the R6/5 because of the Digic X, then the lower resolution, while still disappointing, is easier to overlook. I would imagine there would even be a potential for a smaller lag compared to the R5/6 because the lower resolution EVF of the R7 would mean that the same Digic X as the R5/6 now has to move around less data and hence can be more responsive. If that turns out to be the case then I can see it being a very reasonable choice for the R7.

PinholeR5 wrote in post #19382508
It certainly feels disappointing to see the lower resolution EVF.

That said, digging a bit I found that they quote 60 and 120fps for the refresh rate of the EVF. Also, as I suspected, they claim the lag is low as that is driven by the Digic X vs Digic 8 in the RP/R.

https://en.canon-me.com …as/eos-r7/specifications/

Refresh rate and latency are the most important aspects for me. If those are lacking it is really hard to use the camera for sports/wildlife. BIF in particular comes to mind.

If the refresh rate and lag are really on par with the R6/5 because of the Digic X, then the lower resolution, while still disappointing, is easier to overlook. I would imagine there would even be a potential for a smaller lag compared to the R5/6 because the lower resolution EVF of the R7 would mean that the same Digic X as the R5/6 now has to move around less data and hence can be more responsive. If that turns out to be the case then I can see it being a very reasonable choice for the R7.

Those refresh rates help put me at ease...

PinholeR5 wrote in post #19382508
It certainly feels disappointing to see the lower resolution EVF.

That said, digging a bit I found that they quote 60 and 120fps for the refresh rate of the EVF. Also, as I suspected, they claim the lag is low as that is driven by the Digic X vs Digic 8 in the RP/R.

https://en.canon-me.com …as/eos-r7/specifications/

Refresh rate and latency are the most important aspects for me. If those are lacking it is really hard to use the camera for sports/wildlife. BIF in particular comes to mind.

If the refresh rate and lag are really on par with the R6/5 because of the Digic X, then the lower resolution, while still disappointing, is easier to overlook. I would imagine there would even be a potential for a smaller lag compared to the R5/6 because the lower resolution EVF of the R7 would mean that the same Digic X as the R5/6 now has to move around less data and hence can be more responsive. If that turns out to be the case then I can see it being a very reasonable choice for the R7.

I believe the EVF itself is largely responsible for refresh rates, much like desktop monitors, TVs, etc. The R7 EVF is likely the same exact one found on the M50.

I don't see issues with my M50 like I did with the EOS R regarding lag/refresh rates, but the EVF is noticeably lesser in quality than the R6. Not a huge detriment, but it is noticeable when you use them side by side.

I'm seriously tempted to pre-order this. I've watched a lot of reviews and this would be such a great combo with my R. I like the FF/crop combo. I'm even tempted to get the 18-150 kit.

Immaculens wrote in post #19382435
I saw an image of the battery door popped off and (he said) it had the required divots for a grip. If Canon does not offer a grip - others likely could. Stay tuned...

If there is maybe a 3rd party will surface, According to Rudy Winston live there interview with Adorama yesterday there will be no grip on r7.

The R7 small and without a grip will look really cute attached to my EF600mm II .

Paging teamspeed can you or someone explain this feature on R7, burst pre shooting in raw something like that. Sounds interesting.

Peter2516 wrote in post #19382535
The R7 small and without a grip will look really cute attached to my EF600mm II .

Lol

Yes, female pro photogs will look and collectively say "awwww"

Peter2516 wrote in post #19382539
Paging teamspeed can you or someone explain this feature on R7, burst pre shooting in raw something like that. Sounds interesting.

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I read something about due to potential lag - the camera will record images for half a second (15fps of the 30).

Immaculens wrote in post #19382542
Lol

Yes, female pro photogs will look and collectively say "awwww"

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Peter2516 wrote in post #19382539
Paging teamspeed can you or someone explain this feature on R7, burst pre shooting in raw something like that. Sounds interesting.

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So 2 things, there seems to be 2 new capabilities here not mentioned before: Raw Burst and Pre-Shooting
a) A sequence of shots can be stored into a single file, then later you can pull out individual frames as full sized raw later (new DPP feature?)
b) At half press before you actually engage the shutter, up to a .5 second of images beforehand were recorded and can be stored on the card in case you missed the action with the full press of the shutter.

These are indeed two new and very interesting features.

Taken from this article, not sure if anyone has shared it yet?
https://www.canon.com.​cy …onnor-eos-r7-shoot-story/

If you read further into that article, you will notice the automatic panoramic mode the R7 has, where you just hold down the shutter and move, and it stitches the scene together for you, saving time in post processing. Depending on how well that works, it could be a gimmick or very useful. Again something phones have been doing for quite some time, so Canon seems to be doing a fusion of mobile photography tricks into the R7. Certainly makes sense, now we just need that "Make me old or young" filter too.

pretty good video on the R7 and they are talking about the R10 that they shot as well

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=ubXR_mjGUbs