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Mar 09, 2023 05:43 |  #4276

VSS2011 wrote in post #19490675 (external link)
Possibly already covered elsewhere, in which case I apologise, but...

If I am set up to use electronic shutter, flash functions are switched off. Is there an easy way to switch to manual or electronic first curtain shutter, thus re-enabling flash function? Or, other than via menus, is setting up in C1-C3 the only way?

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I assumed attaching a flash would force EFCS, is that not the case??

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In flash photography, set [Shooting: Shutter mode] to an option other than [Electronic]

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This seems poor design to me.

My memory is the VF is set to auto switch to simulate an optical VF; is that correct?


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Mar 09, 2023 10:59 |  #4277

Pippan wrote in post #19490694 (external link)
If you're happy to have the electronic shutter silent, you can set the shutter mode to EFSC or mechanical in the menu, and map one of the buttons to silent shutter. When you hit that button, the shutter will switch from EFSC or mechanical to electronic, hit it again and it'll switch it back.

Sounds like an easy solution. Will give it a try. Thanks.


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Mar 09, 2023 11:01 |  #4278

Lester Wareham wrote in post #19490700 (external link)
I assumed attaching a flash would force EFCS, is that not the case??

That's what I assumed too, but appears not to be the case.

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I see the manual says

See https://cam.start.cano​n …G-04_Shooting-1_0140.html (external link)

This seems poor design to me.

My memory is the VF is set to auto switch to simulate an optical VF; is that correct?

I think I need to research a little deeper.


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Mar 09, 2023 11:16 |  #4279

If you got to ES by using Silent Shooting, flash shouldn't take it out. The manual says flash doesn't work. Silent Shooting does a bunch of other stuff too, so there's no way it should be disabled when you try a flash.


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Mar 10, 2023 09:11 |  #4282

Pippan wrote in post #19490478 (external link)
That's reassuring. Does it chop at slower speeds than 1/4000th f1.4 or wider?

Holding the f/1.4 constant, at 1/2000, there is a full circle, but is seems a little bit darker on the bottom, and at 1/1000, it is even.

Holding the 1/8000 constant, f/2.8 shows a slight darkening of the bottom of the bokeh disk, and at f/4, it is perfectly round.

Of course, a different lens, or different distances might yield slightly different cut-offs.

I think it's pretty clear, though, that the artifacts are corner cases that may never affect most of what people shoot. F/4 lenses seem to be in the clear.




  
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Mar 10, 2023 14:34 |  #4283

John Sheehy wrote in post #19491219 (external link)
Holding the f/1.4 constant, at 1/2000, there is a full circle, but is seems a little bit darker on the bottom, and at 1/1000, it is even.

Holding the 1/8000 constant, f/2.8 shows a slight darkening of the bottom of the bokeh disk, and at f/4, it is perfectly round.

Of course, a different lens, or different distances might yield slightly different cut-offs.

I think it's pretty clear, though, that the artifacts are corner cases that may never affect most of what people shoot. F/4 lenses seem to be in the clear.

Thanks John, certainly nothing to worry about other than in extreme cases.


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Mar 11, 2023 10:51 |  #4285

Pippan wrote in post #19491347 (external link)
Thanks John, certainly nothing to worry about other than in extreme cases.

Yes, and it would certainly be nice if the camera allowed for automatic switching to full-manual when these corner cases are happening.

We are neglected children of the MFRs, though, and they only spoonfeed us useful features slowly, to keep us on the upgrade treadmill.




  
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Mar 11, 2023 15:07 |  #4286

John Sheehy wrote in post #19491706 (external link)
Yes, and it would certainly be nice if the camera allowed for automatic switching to full-manual when these corner cases are happening.

We are neglected children of the MFRs, though, and they only spoonfeed us useful features slowly, to keep us on the upgrade treadmill.

That reminds me of a feature I'd love to see, and which would be easy to do. Since I shoot mostly full manual (I find it more accurate than letting an 'exposure' meter decide) I'd like a shooting mode (let's call it Ev) that is full manual but allows you to alter one parameter, say, shutter speed, while the camera automatically adjusts another parameter of your choice, say, ISO, to maintain the same 'exposure'. Though at least with the R7 you can set one wheel to shutter speed and the other to ISO and do it with less fuss than on DSLRs.


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Mar 11, 2023 15:26 |  #4287

Pippan wrote in post #19491817 (external link)
That reminds me of a feature I'd love to see, and which would be easy to do. Since I shoot mostly full manual (I find it more accurate than letting an 'exposure' meter decide) I'd like a shooting mode (let's call it Ev) that is full manual but allows you to alter one parameter, say, shutter speed, while the camera automatically adjusts another parameter of your choice, say, ISO, to maintain the same 'exposure'. Though at least with the R7 you can set one wheel to shutter speed and the other to ISO and do it with less fuss than on DSLRs.

Isn't that what FV mode is for?
Set Aperture and ISO to Auto and adjust Shutter speed manually. Aperture and/or ISO will adjust automatically. Want to also adjust ISO? set to to a value as you wish. Now only Aperture will be adjusted automatically. You can even still adjust Exposure Compensation in FV mode.


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Mar 11, 2023 15:55 |  #4288

D-Noc wrote in post #19491822 (external link)
Isn't that what FV mode is for?
Set Aperture and ISO to Auto and adjust Shutter speed manually. Aperture and/or ISO will adjust automatically. Want to also adjust ISO? set to to a value as you wish. Now only Aperture will be adjusted automatically. You can even still adjust Exposure Compensation in FV mode.

No. Fv requires at least two actions: one to set which parameter to change and another to change it.

And in any case, I don't want the meter (and therefore auto) involved. Because of the way meters work (average 18% grey across the frame) I just find the meter too often either under-exposes or blows highlights on the subject. I understand there is exposure compensation but that is simply a guess and involves yet another action. I want Ev to maintain my manually set exposure without the meter involved, so if I adjust shutter speed one stop faster, the ISO goes up by one stop or the aperture opens by one stop (depending on a menu setting I can choose) to maintain 'exposure'. Just with a single action.


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Mar 12, 2023 01:48 |  #4289

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No. Fv requires at least two actions: one to set which parameter to change and another to change it.

And in any case, I don't want the meter (and therefore auto) involved. Because of the way meters work (average 18% grey across the frame) I just find the meter too often either under-exposes or blows highlights on the subject. I understand there is exposure compensation but that is simply a guess and involves yet another action. I want Ev to maintain my manually set exposure without the meter involved, so if I adjust shutter speed one stop faster, the ISO goes up by one stop or the aperture opens by one stop (depending on a menu setting I can choose) to maintain 'exposure'. Just with a single action.

Okay, I think I understand. You want to dial in Aperture, Shutter speed and ISO manually and then, whenever you change e.g. Shutter speed by on stop then either Aperture or ISO should automatically compensate by adjusting one stop as well.
I can see that this differs from FV, as FV will adjust to match the exposure (taking any exposure compensation into account) whereas what you are suggesting will not change exposure at all.
But as a consequence, this will not be auto exposure at all. It will simply keep the three values within the same relative “areas” all the time. So if you dial in settings for a bright area and then turn to a dark area you would be underexposing and can’t adjust as the other parameters would just counteradjust?
I see what you mean, but fail to see the use case?

Where/When would this be useful?


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Mar 12, 2023 03:23 |  #4290

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Okay, I think I understand. You want to dial in Aperture, Shutter speed and ISO manually and then, whenever you change e.g. Shutter speed by on stop then either Aperture or ISO should automatically compensate by adjusting one stop as well.
I can see that this differs from FV, as FV will adjust to match the exposure (taking any exposure compensation into account) whereas what you are suggesting will not change exposure at all.
But as a consequence, this will not be auto exposure at all. It will simply keep the three values within the same relative “areas” all the time. So if you dial in settings for a bright area and then turn to a dark area you would be underexposing and can’t adjust as the other parameters would just counteradjust?
I see what you mean, but fail to see the use case?

Where/When would this be useful?

Yes D, that is what I want (not that I'll get it any time). I've been shooting for decades and am quite good at setting the three parameters in full manual myself, so that my exposures are as far to the right as possible without clipping any highlights other than speculars. I'm sure you're aware of the reasons. I just find the meter too often over or under exposes. These days I shoot mostly birds. Most birds have some white on them. The whites on the bird are usually the brightest thing in the frame and I don't want to clip them. So I set exposure for just less than clipping whites. If I leave it to the meter with one or more parameters in auto, as the bird flies from a dark background past a light background the meter will tell the camera to alter the exposure, either under or over-exposing it. With my full manual setting, the bird stays properly exposed regardless of the background (unless it flies from sun into shade for example). But if I want to quickly change shutter speed, aperture or ISO, say to close down aperture to increase DOF on a flock of birds or to decrease shutter speed if a perched bird takes off, without changing overall exposure, my imaginary Ev setting would change another setting to maintain overall exposure.

But I suppose, thinking it through, there'd be times when the bird does fly from sun into shade and I need to quickly increase exposure by 4 stops, then I'd have to have some way of telling the camera that this time I do want to change exposure. I don't know how that would work.

Sorry for the ramble, I'm just thinking out loud. At least with the R7 it's easy to quickly change any of the three parameters with a single action (shutter front wheel, ISO back wheel, aperture control ring) so I can maintain exposure, or change it, with any of these controls. So yes, thinking it through, I guess it is fine as it is.

Re Fv, at first I couldn't understand the point of it and although I now understand better how it works I still can't really see the point of it, as to change any parameter requires two actions (one to select the parameter, another to change it), rather than one (by turning a wheel or ring). I suppose if you use an auto setting and exposure compensation, which introduces a fourth setting for which there is no direct control, then it could be useful.

Once again, sorry for the ramble, I may not be making much sense.:oops:


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