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Mar 13, 2023 10:17 |  #4336

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19492459 (external link)
The camera keeps metering anyway, whether you use a function like this or not. So use AE lock.

I'm sorry about my usage of the word "metering". I meant influential metering, as in influential on the Av, Tv, or ISO values. Passive metering as feedback is fine for what we were talking about, and it can remind us that the light has changed.

I haven't tried AE lock since maybe my 10D, but I assumed that it times out after releasing the shutter button, and I just tested it on the R7, and it is the same way. What we're looking for is something that just "stays" through metering periods and sleep/wake and on/off cycles without a lot of fuss and using up back buttons or keeping the shutter half-pressed. IOW, until a change is made by the user due to changing light, the same pairings of Av and Tv value are held constant.

The custom function you mention, I haven't seen it make any change with a single prime lens, varying the Av value in either Av mode or M. I'll have to look into it more, but it seems to have no effect with a single prime lens. Maybe with a variable-open-f-ratio zoom it will have an effect when you zoom in (dropping the shutter speed), or when changing lenses and the Av value that you used previously is not available after the change. IOW, you were using a 400/5.6 at 5.6, and then put on a 1.4x TC, the ISO would double or the shutter speed would halve. If the camera was already set to f/8 before you added the TC, then nothing would happen. That's how I understand the custom function at this point.

I'd have more enthusiasm for experimentation to figure these things out, but the R7, unlike the R5, can't save all your setting to a file, so you have to remember to change everything back again after the experiment, or get burned the next time a fleeting photo-op presents itself. I don't know why Canon has to be so stingy with this very useful feature. Yes, you can play around in a C# mode, but some of these settings are global, and stick when you return to your regular modes. The menu system really should have symbols on the entries that tell you when settings are global, and when they are mode-exclusive.




  
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Mar 13, 2023 10:24 |  #4337

I, John Sheehy wrote in post #19492361 (external link)
That's an interesting feature, and it actually does trade off Av vs Tv as Pippan wishes

Sorry, I was mistaken. With the prime lens I used in Av mode with the custom function, I was so focused on looking at something new that I forgot that with manual ISO and Av mode, changing Av values always changes shutter speed, too, if there is any range left to do so. So, like I said in another post, the setting may only be for when the previous f-number isn't available after a change in optics.




  
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Mar 13, 2023 10:50 |  #4338

John Sheehy wrote in post #19492548 (external link)
I'm sorry about my usage of the word "metering". I meant influential metering, as in influential on the Av, Tv, or ISO values. Passive metering as feedback is fine for what we were talking about, and it can remind us that the light has changed.

I haven't tried AE lock since maybe my 10D, but I assumed that it times out after releasing the shutter button, and I just tested it on the R7, and it is the same way. What we're looking for is something that just "stays" through metering periods and sleep/wake and on/off cycles without a lot of fuss and using up back buttons or keeping the shutter half-pressed. IOW, until a change is made by the user due to changing light, the same pairings of Av and Tv value are held constant.

The custom function you mention, I haven't seen it make any change with a single prime lens, varying the Av value in either Av mode or M. I'll have to look into it more, but it seems to have no effect with a single prime lens. Maybe with a variable-open-f-ratio zoom it will have an effect when you zoom in (dropping the shutter speed), or when changing lenses and the Av value that you used previously is not available after the change. IOW, you were using a 400/5.6 at 5.6, and then put on a 1.4x TC, the ISO would double or the shutter speed would halve. If the camera was already set to f/8 before you added the TC, then nothing would happen. That's how I understand he custom function at this point.

I'd have more enthusiasm for experimentation to figure these things out, but the R7, unlike the R5, can't save all your setting to a file, so you have to remember to change everything back again after the experiment, or get burned the next time a fleeting photo-op presents itself. I don't know why Canon has to be so stingy with this very useful feature. Yes, you can play around in a C# mode, but some of these settings are global, and stick when you return to your regular modes. The menu system really should have symbols on the entries that tell you when settings are global, and when they are mode-exclusive.

My mistake, John. C.fn2 only works with zoom lenses or when you change lenses or attach an extender. I use it for my 100-500mm and find it incredibly handy.

As to the AE lock, the option you do have is set it to Hold, which is linked to the Auto Power Off timer. So as long as you shoot, you can keep shooting with the metering locked. Or disable Auto Power Off for the session.


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Mar 13, 2023 11:23 |  #4339

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19492571 (external link)
My mistake, John. C.fn2 only works with zoom lenses or when you change lenses or attach an extender. I use it for my 100-500mm and find it incredibly handy.

As to the AE lock, the option you do have is set it to Hold, which is linked to the Auto Power Off timer. So as long as you shoot, you can keep shooting with the metering locked. Or disable Auto Power Off for the session.

If that can all be contained within a C mode and none of it is global, then maybe a C mode could be done with Av, manual ISO, and AE lock until shutdown. I'll have to look into that when I have more time. Probably easier to test on the R5 where I can save all settings to a file before experimenting.




  
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Mar 13, 2023 11:58 |  #4340

John Sheehy wrote in post #19492582 (external link)
If that can all be contained within a C mode and none of it is global, then maybe a C mode could be done with Av, manual ISO, and AE lock until shutdown. I'll have to look into that when I have more time. Probably easier to test on the R5 where I can save all settings to a file before experimenting.

Could be nice for those who need it. Worth testing.


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Mar 13, 2023 23:07 |  #4342

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Mar 14, 2023 03:56 |  #4343

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Mar 19, 2023 13:31 |  #4349

Some progress on getting my R7 + Tamron 150-600mm G2 to play nice.. I have tried electronic shutter combined with a bit slower shutter speed, to force the ISO down a bit. Also switched from eye detection to zone detection. Focus is acquired much faster and seems to be more precise.
Still missed focus a moment later though, just as the Blue Tit looked a bit more in my direction.. oh well.. can’t win them all..

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Mar 20, 2023 10:33 |  #4350

D-Noc wrote in post #19495279 (external link)
Some progress on getting my R7 + Tamron 150-600mm G2 to play nice.. I have tried electronic shutter combined with a bit slower shutter speed, to force the ISO down a bit. Also switched from eye detection to zone detection. Focus is acquired much faster and seems to be more precise.
Still missed focus a moment later though, just as the Blue Tit looked a bit more in my direction.. oh well.. can’t win them all..

FYI I contacted Tamron a few months age and the lens requires a firmware upgrade to play nice with the R bodies.

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