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Aug 03, 2023 09:08 |  #4831

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Electronic 1st Curtain H+ Burst Issue

I had to send my R7 to Canon Service for the second time recently, after returning from a three-week trip to the Midwest. I was having three issues: the camera ignored which SD card I selected for saving photos to (and was inconsistent with its own selection), the shutter would occasionally continue shooting for several shots after I removed my finger, and electronic 1st curtain shot at about 7 FPS even though I had H+ selected for burst rate (should have been 15 FPS). I got it back about a week ago. They ended up replacing the circuit board. I've shot about 500 photos since it was returned, all in H+ and electronic 1st curtain. So far there have been no issues with the SD card selection and the runaway shutter button, and mostly with the burst rate. I had an issue yesterday that ruined the streak.

I have only one LP-E6NH battery, but I have a bunch of LP-E6N's from shooting 7Ds and 7DIIs for the last ten years. After shooting for about an hour yesterday morning and the previous several mornings, my LP-E6NH needed to be charged, so I swapped it out for one of the LP-E6Ns. A photo opportunity presented itself, so I took the camera outside and began shooting the Carolina Wren that had shown up (having changed nothing else). The camera again was slowed to about 7 FPS. I was dismayed. I tried cycling the camera off and back on with the same result. My immediate thought was that the new circuit board had gone bad and the camera was going to have to be sent back for a third time.

Before calling Canon Service, I ran through the questions they were likely to ask. Since I had swapped batteries, I knew they would ask if I was sure the battery wasn't the cause, so I replaced the fully-charged LP-E6N with the depleted LP-E6NH and tested it again. To my relief, H+ was restored to 15 FPS. This morning I tested three other LP-E6N batteries, and all worked fine. At least three of the four batteries are the same age and have had roughly the same degree of usage, including the one that caused the problem.

I would have thought that any compatible battery would work as expected, regardless of the age, with older batteries going dead sooner. Apparently, at least in some cases, that's not true. I hope my experience will save someone out there in the community the expense and inconvenience of unnecessarily sending their camera in for service.

This is to be expected I think, others have reported issues with none-H batteries on R7 and R6.

Fyi: I was talking to a chap in a bird hide the other week shooting mirrorless Nikon. He reported similar issues if I remember correctly.

I would recommend to all to get a spare H battery.


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Aug 03, 2023 13:23 |  #4832

I agree Lester. With the R7, I can't get through an airshow with just one H battery. Takes two. With my 90D one battery does the job with juice left over.


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Aug 03, 2023 16:26 |  #4833

Dave63401 wrote in post #19547191 (external link)
If I remember correctly, there was talk of the slower rate with the slightly older style batteries when the R5 came out. It might have also been in some of Canons literature.

Thank you. I missed that, but I'll check it out.


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Aug 03, 2023 16:28 |  #4834

AntonLargiader wrote in post #19547197 (external link)
What you are experiencing is exactly as the manual indicates. A fully charged LP-E6NH is required to get H+ speeds. Using a different battery or an unsupported lens may result in lower shooting speeds.

There's a thread specifically discussing what affects the availability of H+ speeds: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1527872

You're lucky that you get the higher speeds out of any of your LP-E6N batteries.

Thank you. Before I bought the camera, I read or heard that the older batteries were compatible. I hadn't heard or read that the compatibility was limited. I'll check that thread.


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Aug 04, 2023 01:04 |  #4835

shamlin wrote in post #19547304 (external link)
Thank you. Before I bought the camera, I read or heard that the older batteries were compatible. I hadn't heard or read that the compatibility was limited. I'll check that thread.

The UM just says "You can not use batteries older than LP-N6NH/LP-N6N/LP-N6".

It does not specify the performance with the lower capacity ones, just that they can be used. Being an engineer I notice that ambiguity in the sentence.

I have found odd behaviour with the NH battery around 30% charge that went away when I swapped for a fresh NH.


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Aug 04, 2023 07:46 |  #4836

Lester Wareham wrote in post #19547372 (external link)
The UM just says "You can not use batteries older than LP-N6NH/LP-N6N/LP-N6".

It does not specify the performance with the lower capacity ones, just that they can be used. Being an engineer I notice that ambiguity in the sentence.

I have found odd behaviour with the NH battery around 30% charge that went away when I swapped for a fresh NH.

My camera (purchased used) came with an LP-6N. I bought an LP-6NH immediately to be on the safe side, but since I have a slew of LP-6Ns, I only bought one. So far, it has been enough. Now that I'm aware of the compatibility limitations, I'll use the older batteries even less frequently. Prior to the recent service, Electronic 1st Curtain didn't shoot at 15 FPS, regardless of the battery, lens or anything else, so the last week or so has been like starting over. On the positive side, the camera is finally what I expected it to be when I bought it in March. On the down side, I'm now learning the extent of the compatibility with my fairly large collection of older gear.


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Aug 04, 2023 09:07 |  #4837

Lester Wareham wrote in post #19547372 (external link)
The UM just says "You can not use batteries older than LP-N6NH/LP-N6N/LP-N6".

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My R6II works even with a 11-year old LP-E6 (ca 7/2011), the H+ does not grey out and I get 7-8 frames/sec (CRAW-vs-L-JPG).


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Aug 04, 2023 09:33 |  #4838

MakisM1 wrote in post #19547443 (external link)
My R6II works even with a 11-year old LP-E6 (ca 7/2011), the H+ does not grey out and I get 7-8 frames/sec (CRAW-vs-L-JPG).

Yes sure I used an old battery when the new one was charging on delivery, it'll work, but not necessarily to full spec. Can't comment on the R6II, probably best to look at the battery thread linked above.


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Aug 04, 2023 16:55 |  #4840

MakisM1 wrote in post #19547443 (external link)
My R6II works even with a 11-year old LP-E6 (ca 7/2011), the H+ does not grey out and I get 7-8 frames/sec (CRAW-vs-L-JPG).

That's less than normal, right? Which shutter mode? Using an LPE6 with my R7 I get a much lower frame rate.


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Aug 04, 2023 18:24 |  #4841

Strangely I have never needed to use anything older the LP-6NH. I had ordered a spare before receiving the camera so it was charged and ready when it arrived. Having 2 is enough for my needs. And I have a bunch of LP-6Ns just in case.


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Aug 04, 2023 19:57 |  #4842

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Aug 05, 2023 09:11 |  #4843

AntonLargiader wrote in post #19547570 (external link)
That's less than normal, right? Which shutter mode? Using an LPE6 with my R7 I get a much lower frame rate.

This was on my R6II on H+. Yes it is lower rate, but the battery is ancient!... LP-E6 not E6N or E6NH. The rate was confirmed by shooting the stopwatch on my iPhone.


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Aug 05, 2023 10:00 |  #4844

I'm new at this mirrorless thing, so I hadn't been paying too much attention before that. But I noticed that there's a pretty good variety of 3rd-party LP-E6NH available. Apparently Smallrig just started making a pretty fancy one with a USB port for $40, although the usual group of aftermarket sellers on Amazon have them for less than that.

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I used aftermarket batteries pretty much exclusively in my DSLRs with no problems. I can't bring myself to spend $80 on a 2 amp battery. I don't think I ever bought a battery advertised as an LP-E6N. All the aftermarket versions were sold as LP-E6. The new NH ones are advertised as that.

The biggest selling point for NH seems to be that they can be recharged in the camera, and some, like the Smallrig, have external USB ports. That sounds handy, but it doesn't fit my workflow much. If shooting with my old DSLR batteries becomes a problem, I'll deal with it then. With aftermarket batteries, I can afford to carry spares.


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Aug 06, 2023 13:29 |  #4845

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