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Jul 11, 2022 21:57 |  #1261

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19403164 (external link)
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Question: The R7 has both ES and MS, I have been shooting MS but today decided to try the ES. was wondering if it is easier on the camera than the MS, less moving parts etc?
I think the R7 is rated to 200k clicks on the MS and I am sure they can be replaced. Which leads me to my comment

Comment: with the ES I see the rolling shutter even at 15 FPS, not that noticeable against foliage but it is certainly noticeable when you include something that should be square.

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Rolling shutter on the R7 appears to be pretty bad. I can say on my canon R3 rolling shutter is basically nonexistent. I can use electronic shutter on the R3 for everything and have seen no rolling shutter artifacts. I think the cameras below it though the R5 , R6 , R7 all have varying degrees of very noticeable rolling shutter. The sensor read out , it’s just not fast enough to avoid it in many situations. The R7 seems to be the worst with the slowest sensor Read out.


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Jul 11, 2022 22:18 |  #1262

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Rolling shutter on the R7 appears to be pretty bad. I can say on my canon R3 rolling shutter is basically nonexistent. I can use electronic shutter on the R3 for everything and have seen no rolling shutter artifacts. I think the cameras below it though the R5 , R6 , R7 all have varying degrees of very noticeable rolling shutter. The sensor read out , it’s just not fast enough to avoid it in many situations. The R7 seems to be the worst with the slowest sensor Read out.

I think one comprimised work-around is using EFCS. But shooting with a large aperture and fast shutter speed will give you odd bokeh lol.



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Jul 11, 2022 22:52 |  #1263

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Rolling shutter on the R7 appears to be pretty bad. I can say on my canon R3 rolling shutter is basically nonexistent. I can use electronic shutter on the R3 for everything and have seen no rolling shutter artifacts. I think the cameras below it though the R5 , R6 , R7 all have varying degrees of very noticeable rolling shutter. The sensor read out , it’s just not fast enough to avoid it in many situations. The R7 seems to be the worst with the slowest sensor Read out.

I feel the rolling shutter effect is more pronounced in the R7 than in the R5. Yeah, with the R3 it is pretty much negligible as far as I'm concerned. One item that I didn't think was going to be an issue for me at all, but ended up having a bit of an adaptation is the EVF. Comparing the models:

R3 / 5 : 5.76M dots
R6 : 3.69M dots
R7 : 2.36M dots

When I use the R7 by itself, it is great. No issues, the EVF experience is great. No complaints (well, the lag could be better, but that's it). However, when I have two bodies and switch back and forth between the R3/5 and the R7 there is a very noticeable difference. The impression is that I want to shoot with the camera with the better EVF and my brain instinctively thinks the R7 image will be worse. In reality, the images from the R7 are great. It is just the contrast between the two that creates the wrong impression. I'm getting used to it, though, so no big deal. But it was something I didn't expect at all. Even after spending several days with the R7, the first time I used it with the R3 or R5 I really noticed it.


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Jul 12, 2022 00:24 |  #1264

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That's all well and good if your lens is a little soft, or your technique is never stable, but the whole idea of being rewarded with moiré when everything comes together perfectly doesn't exactly thrill me.

moire in the forest? what do you mean?




  
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Jul 12, 2022 02:54 |  #1265

Is the R7 fast? Is

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Jul 12, 2022 03:25 |  #1266

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I ment to ask, did you try the focus peaking with the MP-E?


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Jul 12, 2022 03:28 |  #1267

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Pushed the ISO to 25600 for this one and processed with noise reduction. Certainly very useable.

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Very impresive.
Was that with Topaz?
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Jul 12, 2022 06:00 |  #1268

grzegorz9992 wrote in post #19403472 (external link)
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Moiré can be in feathers. It's not just moiré, though. Aliasing shows in other ways that seem to bother some people more than others. AA filters are a mixed bag; they prevent artifacts when optics and stability are very sharp for the pixel size, but they also add a little blur when they aren't needed for their intended purpose. The solution, to me, is higher pixel density with weaker and weaker AA filters, but its slow getting there, and rolling shutter speeds are probably one of the things holding high density back. Stacked sensors haven't overcome the fact that they have more spatially-correlated read noise than traditional sensors, so there are still compromises for every gain in one department. Hopefully the next generation of APS-C R-series cameras will have random noise like the R7, even more density, and a stacked sensor or global shutter.




  
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Jul 12, 2022 06:19 |  #1269

John Sheehy wrote in post #19403512 (external link)
Moiré can be in feathers. It's not just moiré, though. Aliasing shows in other ways that seem to bother some people more than others. AA filters are a mixed bag; they prevent artifacts when optics and stability are very sharp for the pixel size, but they also add a little blur when they aren't needed for their intended purpose. The solution, to me, is higher pixel density with weaker and weaker AA filters, but its slow getting there, and rolling shutter speeds are probably one of the things holding high density back. Stacked sensors haven't overcome the fact that they have more spatially-correlated read noise than traditional sensors, so there are still compromises for every gain in one department. Hopefully the next generation of APS-C R-series cameras will have random noise like the R7, even more density, and a stacked sensor or global shutter.

Moora on feathers at 32 mpx unheard of even in theory, unless you have examples of what it looks like on the R7 , or on other cameras.




  
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Jul 12, 2022 08:00 |  #1270

Lester Wareham wrote in post #19403494 (external link)
I ment to ask, did you try the focus peaking with the MP-E?

Oh no I didn't and to be honest I am not really sure I even know what it is. I sure want to find out so will ask google and then try out after work if it is easy to do.




  
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Jul 12, 2022 08:25 |  #1271

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Jul 12, 2022 08:40 |  #1272

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Jul 12, 2022 08:41 |  #1273

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Thats a great capture. Beautiful

thanks, they are so beautiful




  
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Jul 12, 2022 08:41 |  #1274

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Jul 12, 2022 08:51 |  #1275

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Oh no I didn't and to be honest I am not really sure I even know what it is. I sure want to find out so will ask google and then try out after work if it is easy to do.

Control setting is on AF5 as MF peaking settings. UM P428 & P478 et seq.

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