Can't Manually Select Different AF Points/Zones 90D

Hello
For some reason I'm unable to pick 3 of the 5 different AF options on my Canon 90D.
By the 5 AF options I'm referring to spot, 1 point, zone, large zone and auto selection AF.

I have been able to select any one of the five in the past but for whatever reason, I can't now.
I'm sure I've hit some sort of setting by mistake to cause this but I've spent the past hour or so trying to figure out how to correct it with no luck.

I can currently only use spot and 1 point AF.
No matter how many times I press the "cluster" button above the shutter button to try and cycle through the 5 AF options, it will only go back and fourth between spot and 1 point.
SEL [] is showing at the bottom left of the viewfinder as I'm doing this.
I suspect this SEL [] is causing the issue but I'm not quite sure what that is or how to get rid of it.

All 5 of the AF options appear at the top when looking through the viewfinder and all are in red.
In C.Fn II: Autofocus section 7 of the camera menu, all 5 AF modes are checked off.

I'm guessing it's probably a pretty simple fix and if someone can let me know what it is, that would be appreciated.

I've looked at many different videos but they are all geared towards how to access these 5 AF options when there isn't any issue trying to access them.

What exposure mode do you typically use? 'P' mode often takes away features that are available in Av or Tv, for example.

I'm using manual mode.
Meant to include that.

By the way, it's brackets after the SEL.
Not sure why the brackets didn't appear properly in my post.
They were showing properly before I submitted the post.

Also, when I use the Quick Menu, the same 3 options I can't access when using the cluster button, are greyed out on the LCD screen.

Which of 3 positions on the power switch? Position 2 diables some things, too...Position 3 allows full access.

Wilt wrote in post #19402817
Which of 3 positions on the power switch? Position 2 diables some things, too...Position 3 allows full access.

There are only two positions for the power switch on a 90D, off and on.
My 40D has the 3 positions you are referring to.

Do you have all 5 set to display? That can be set in the menus. Too weirdly named to be typed, so I took pictures.

In my C1 mode, I have the camera set up for only 2 of the 5 to be active so I don't have to scroll through all 5 to get to the ones I use all the time in that mode.

drsilver wrote in post #19402828
Do you have all 5 set to display? That can be set in the menus. Too weirdly named to be typed, so I took pictures.

In my C1 mode, I have the camera set up for only 2 of the 5 to be active so I don't have to scroll through all 5 to get to the ones I use all the time in that mode.

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Regarding your second picture, I have all 5 options checked off.
Like in your picture, the second from the left is currently how mine is showing as well, checked off but no border around it.
The other 4 are checked off but they all have a border around them.

I still think the problem has something to do with the SEL along with the right and left brackets after those 3 letters that is showing at the bottom left of the viewfinder screen when I press the cluster button to access these 5 different AF options.
It's almost like something is locked and it's preventing me being able to choose the other AF options.

drsilver
Can you put your camera in manual mode, press the "cluster" button above the shutter button and see if SEL with brackets after it, appears at the bottom left of your viewfinder?
Not sure if "cluster button" is the right term for that button but that's how it was referred to in one of the videos I watched.

I find it amazing that I can't find out anything on what SEL stands for.
I must not be phrasing my searches right.

Is it some kind of exposure lock?

canongear wrote in post #19402838
drsilver
Can you put your camera in manual mode, press the "cluster" button above the shutter button and see if SEL with brackets after it, appears at the bottom left of your viewfinder?
Not sure if "cluster button" is the right term for that button but that's how it was referred to in one of the videos I watched.

I find it amazing that I can't find out anything on what SEL stands for.
I must not be phrasing my searches right.

Is it some kind of exposure lock?

canongear, SEL [] stands for SELect - the camera is waiting for you to scroll through and select the focus point that you want to use which you do by pressing the button with the 3 squares and a triangle within a box next to the shutter button (assuming that you haven't changed the focus select method in the focus menu.

HTH

EDIT: M-Fn button isn't labelled M-Fn on 90D

canongear wrote in post #19402838
drsilver
Can you put your camera in manual mode, press the "cluster" button above the shutter button and see if SEL with brackets after it, appears at the bottom left of your viewfinder?
Not sure if "cluster button" is the right term for that button but that's how it was referred to in one of the videos I watched.

I find it amazing that I can't find out anything on what SEL stands for.
I must not be phrasing my searches right.

Is it some kind of exposure lock?

You got me stumped. In manual mode, all 5 AF modes are active and available on my camera. Both the 'Cluster' button and the AF selection button on the back work as expected.

We talked about menu 7 in the c.fn ii pages. Menu 8 is called 'Limit AF methods.' Maybe play with that. I'm not entirely sure what it does. Menu 7 got me what I want, so I never played with menu 8. All options are checked in menu 8 on both C1 and M on my camera.

The 1-point AF setting doesn't have a box around it because you can't uncheck it. If you only use 1, it has to be that.

That SEL [] designation pops up when you select a single focus point (either spot or 1-pt). The AF designation comes up with multi-point modes and the camera picks the actual spot to use. I don't think it's anything more than a label. SEL = user selected, AF = Automatically chosen from a group.

gort wrote in post #19402851
canongear, SEL [] stands for SELect - the camera is waiting for you to scroll through and select the focus point that you want to use which you do by pressing the button with the 3 squares and a triangle within a box next to the shutter button (assuming that you haven't changed the focus select method in the focus menu.

HTH

EDIT: M-Fn button isn't labelled M-Fn on 90D

Thanks for explaining what SEL stands for.

The scrolling part is what the issue is I'm having.
In the past, in order for me to scroll through and pick one of the 5 AF options, I had to keep pressing the button with the 3 squares and a triangle within a box next to the shutter button..that's what I was referring to as the cluster button.. until I got the AF option I wanted to use and then pick it.
I'm unable to do that now.
I can only scroll back and fourth between the spot and I point AF option.

When I'm in the auto focus section of the menu, all 5 AF options are checked off.
I can enable or disable 4 of the 5 but, I can't disable the second one from the left which is the 1pt AF.

That 1pt AF is currently the only AF point showing in the viewfinder when I take a picture and I'm unable to reposition that point.

drsilver wrote in post #19402859
You got me stumped. In manual mode, all 5 AF modes are active and available on my camera. Both the 'Cluster' button and the AF selection button on the back work as expected.

We talked about menu 7 in the c.fn ii pages. Menu 8 is called 'Limit AF methods.' Maybe play with that. I'm not entirely sure what it does. Menu 7 got me what I want, so I never played with menu 8. All options are checked in menu 8 on both C1 and M on my camera.

The 1-point AF setting doesn't have a box around it because you can't uncheck it. If you only use 1, it has to be that.

That SEL [] designation pops up when you select a single focus point (either spot or 1-pt). The AF designation comes up with multi-point modes and the camera picks the actual spot to use. I don't think it's anything more than a label. SEL = user selected, AF = Automatically chosen from a group.

I'm stumped as well.
All 5 AF modes appear to be active as well on my camera if all 5 being red is indicating they are all active.

Something is preventing the camera from picking 3 of them.

Usually I can figure something like this out but not this time.
What I'm wanting to do was working for me not that long ago.
I don't remember making any changes in the auto focus menu since things were working like they should.

I'm sure there's a simple solution but, I haven't stumbled across it yet.

I think I finally got it figured out.
Got to the point where I cleared all custom settings.
Kept track of what I had in the C. Fn II: AutoFocus settings before doing that though.
For whatever reason, I had number 2.. AF pt set for spot/1pt focus.. picked in section 11.
It's no longer picked and things seem to be back to normal.

I must've watched a video at some point suggesting section 11 should be set up that way and forgot to change the setting back after trying it out.

Thanks for the replies for trying to help out.