R1 rumored to be 100 MP's

dolina wrote in post #19430352
Battery Life (CIPA): refers to the number of images a digital still camera can take on a single battery charge.

- 2850: Canon EOS-1D X Mark III
- 760: Canon EOS R3
- 320: Canon EOS R5
- 360: Canon EOS R6
- 660: Canon EOS R7
- 450: Canon EOS R10

When making assertions provide citations.

As normal use case has users using an optical or electronic view finder we cannot typically opt out of using it when we frame an image. It would be best not to blame the EVF for everything. Rather we should look at the body in its entirety if it can do thousands of images per single charge.

Battery life is a key concern as it would mean user needs to buy/bring more battery to get the same stills per single charge.

Are end users willing to bring more heavy batteries to get 100MP with more than a 1,000 frames?

When I buy memory cards I tend to match the rated CIPA battery life to how many RAWs the said card can hold.

So once battery's exhausted I also swap out a new CF card.

Let's address your continued use of drama in these discussions...

a) Those numbers ARE NOT fact. Battery life is much much better than CIPA numbers. We know this, we have the experience.

b) LP-E6 batteries are heavy? If you are a mouse, yes, but if you are a normal human being, the LP-E6s are small and lightweight.

c) Your process of swapping out both batteries and CF cards seems like a unneeded process and a risky one at that. The more you swap out cards, the higher the risk of corruption or damage to the cards. My process is that I buy a card large enough for most events, and then I put two cards in, the camera can switch between them as needed, cards never come out. In any case, your process bears nothing in these discussions around camera capabilities, that is mutually exclusive to the discussion at hand.

I just did a 9 hour photographic stint this past weekend. I put a spare battery in each of my cargo pockets. I never noticed them, they didn't cause any undue stress, and I was able to shoot nearly 2000 shots through the day, and during down times, I culled in-camera down to about 900 shots. All that viewing, AF, bursts, pushing lens AF on a 100-400, etc with no issues on battery needs.

Given your numbers above, I would have needed something like 6 or 7 batteries and I was far from that. Also you somehow missed my point that image resolutions have very little to do with battery life, not sure how you centered on my comment about the EVF. EVF is a battery hog, not the 100Mpx image itself short of how much more processing there is depending on your picture style and NR settings in camera. Go with a neutral picture style and disable NR settings and the file won't have to be processed as much in-camera.

Processors also are better every generation so if there is a new Digic processor, you can be sure it will be 1) more efficient and 2) much more powerful than the older processors.

Let's put it this way, if the R1 were to indeed be a 100Mpx camera, you might need 1 new battery at $70. You however may need to buy several larger cards, and that is a much larger expense.

dolina wrote in post #19430356
Jack,

I chose a single source to keep it consistent.

He was claiming "thousands" of frames per single charge for DIGIC X cameras.

Went to dpreview to verify. Only thousands DIGIC X camera is the dSLR. All other MILC are hundreds.

Also the 490 shots on a single charge R5 is a far cry from "thousands".

Also what's the node process of the DIGIC X? Is it 7nm, 10m or 14nm?

How many mAh battery will R1 @ 100MP for >30fps to get more than 720 stills per single charge?

My comment is that if you set up your camera correctly, you can indeed shoot over 1000 shots on a single charge. It has been done, time and time again, it isn't a baseless claim, we have people that have done exactly that and reported it. CIPA numbers mean nothing without documented usage/constraints, it is just a number without knowing GPS/WIFI/LCD usage/settings.

An R1 at 100Mpx won't need more battery except for file IO and JPG processing depending on your picture style and NR settings. What does kill your battery is the reviewing of images, in either display, turning on wifi or gps, or holding down AF-ON tracking eyes and people's faces as you try to get some shots, etc. That will drop your battery life substantially (EVF/LCD/AF/RF/BT).

Will battery life be hurt as compared to today's cameras? Tough to say, we don't know any of the specs of EVF, which Digic processor, etc. It is a RUMORED camera, there is NOTHING known about the camera at this point. We don't even know the battery, whether LP-E6 based or LP-E4 based....

My Tesla is rated at 292 mile range, but guess what, I never get that. Why? because there are so many factors involved in that range that one cannot just use some advertised number as gospel, it never reflects the conditions/usage of the car to get that range.
1) Speed?
2) Temperature?
3) AC/heater?
4) Size wheels/tires?
5) Inflation pressure?
6) Terrain?
7) Cargo being carried?
8) How close to absolute zero range does one really want to get to?
9) Types of acceleration from a stop?
10) Weather/wind?

Ditto with a canon mirrorless camera battery...
1) WIFI/bluetooth on?
2) GPS on?
3) JPEG settings? (picture style, high ISO NR value, etc)
4) Raw and JPEG, just raw, just JPEG?
5) Single shot? Burst?
6) MS? ES?
7) Rear image preview on/off?
8) Ambient temperature?
9) Displays brightness (LCD/EVF)
10) Exposure simulation on/off?
11) EYE AF, zone AF?
12) ECO settings?
etc

45MPx or 100Mpx file sizes, probably not the biggest factor in battery life... However if there is a 100Mpx R1, you can be sure there will be buyers that will buy it, guaranteed, regardless of that extra battery or two they might have to get. It would be the least of their concerns...

dolina wrote in post #19430356
Jack,

I chose a single source to keep it consistent.

He was claiming "thousands" of frames per single charge for DIGIC X cameras.

Went to dpreview to verify. Only thousands DIGIC X camera is the dSLR. All other MILC are hundreds.

Also the 490 shots on a single charge R5 is a far cry from "thousands".

Also what's the node process of the DIGIC X? Is it 7nm, 10m or 14nm?

How many mAh battery will R1 @ 100MP for >30fps to get more than 720 stills per single charge?

Paolo-
An R3, for example, can do 30 frames per second. This comes to 1800 images in a minute. Yet we don't hear the wildlife photographers complaining their R3 only collects images for less than a minute, do we?
The R5 can do 20 images per second, for "only" 1200 images in a minute's usage, but we haven't heard of battery life being measured in minutes of usage. In both cases, we can get thousands of images from a battery. The biggest complaint I've heard about the R5 is it gets hot.
Looking at your reference, they say my 7D2 can only capture 670 images, but I get far more than that from a battery.
The CIPA numbers are useful for comparison, but seem very conservative, as they should be.

About this post- I really do fail to understand your point:
POST 19430258
A sensor can be used for many things.
7D2 for scientific imaging: https://www.lmscope.co​m …on_eos_7d_mark_​II_en.html
7D2 for aeronautic imaging and security: https://www.flickr.com …/album-72157717934036907/
People have long used digital cameras for digital archiving of slides and other materials: https://www.digitalcam​eraworld.com …dslr-or-mirrorless-camera
Conversely, the technology used in an advanced sensor can be placed into a consumer camera.

EOS-R was the first mirrorless I used and early on managed to get around 2300 photos and 12 minutes of 4K Video, with a fair bit of EVF use and chimping with about 20% battery remaining. I had more than 1 battery so would have swapped if needed.

Lucky I had my sherpa with me to carry the heavy spare battery.

dolina wrote in post #19430356
Jack,

I chose a single source to keep it consistent.

He was claiming "thousands" of frames per single charge for DIGIC X cameras.

Went to dpreview to verify. Only thousands DIGIC X camera is the dSLR. All other MILC are hundreds.

Also the 490 shots on a single charge R5 is a far cry from "thousands".

Also what's the node process of the DIGIC X? Is it 7nm, 10m or 14nm?

How many mAh battery will R1 @ 100MP for >30fps to get more than 720 stills per single charge?

Why does it have to be 700ish shots per charge? What’s wrong with 400?

Choderboy wrote in post #19430441
EOS-R was the first mirrorless I used and early on managed to get around 2300 photos and 12 minutes of 4K Video, with a fair bit of EVF use and chimping with about 20% battery remaining. I had more than 1 battery so would have swapped if needed.

Lucky I had my sherpa with me to carry the heavy spare battery.

LOL

dolina wrote in post #19430352
Battery Life (CIPA): refers to the number of images a digital still camera can take on a single battery charge.

- 2850: Canon EOS-1D X Mark III
- 760: Canon EOS R3
- 320: Canon EOS R5
- 360: Canon EOS R6
- 660: Canon EOS R7
- 450: Canon EOS R10

When making assertions provide citations.

As normal use case has users using an optical or electronic view finder we cannot typically opt out of using it when we frame an image. It would be best not to blame the EVF for everything. Rather we should look at the body in its entirety if it can do thousands of images per single charge.

Battery life is a key concern as it would mean user needs to buy/bring more battery to get the same stills per single charge.

Are end users willing to bring more heavy batteries to get 100MP with more than a 1,000 frames?

When I buy memory cards I tend to match the rated CIPA battery life to how many RAWs the said card can hold.

So once battery's exhausted I also swap out a new CF card.

Citation:

Lester Wareham on the R7:
POST 19429828
6. I left the camera on 15 fps ES throughout and just worked as normal, shot over 3000 frames, the fully charged battery was down to 30% at the end of the session.


No citation needed here, just facts:

Sony A9
Release April 2017
24mp 20fps 12 bit RAW
3.7 Million dot EVF 120Hz refresh

Sony A1
Release January 2021
50mp 30fps 14 bit RAW
9.9 Million dot EVF 240Hz Refresh

Both use FZ100 battery: 7.2v 2280mAh 16.4Wh

Normal people have moved on from the battery 'issue' with mirrorless.

Just to put perspective on the whole "heavy battery, more batteries" argument,

A) that iphone 13 you might be carrying around is equivalent in weight to 2 LP-E6 batteries.

B) that LP-E6 battery is sized about the same as a vehicle car fob.

C) A bottle of water you might take with you is equivalent to almost 6 batteries.

D) Carry pesos in your pocket? An LP-E6 is equivalent to 11 or 12 peso coins. If you can carry the equivalent of $1 USD in pesos in your pocket, you have about 5 batteries equivalency. For US currency carrying individuals, an LP-E6 is equivalent to about 12 quarters, so $3 in coins is about the same as a single LP-E6.

So the entire "you have to go buy more big heavy batteries" argument seems like an overly dramatic one and won't really win any discussion points.

> D) Carry pesos in your pocket? An LP-E6 is equivalent to 11 or 12 peso coins. If you can carry the equivalent of $1 USD in pesos in your pocket, you have about 5 batteries equivalency.

How heavy is your typical dSLR kit?

How much is an authentic battery?

dolina wrote in post #19430528
> D) Carry pesos in your pocket? An LP-E6 is equivalent to 11 or 12 peso coins. If you can carry the equivalent of $1 USD in pesos in your pocket, you have about 5 batteries equivalency.

How heavy is your typical dSLR kit?

How much is an authentic battery?

Depends which gear I take. I have 3 bodies, all sized differently, two of which take LP-E6 batteries, the most common battery Canon has ever made, next to the BP-511. That battery is around 80g.

I am not sure why it matters what my overall gear is, because the battery is the 2nd lightest component of my gear next to memory cards and is just a fraction of the overall weight. Batteries also take up no real space, because they fit into pockets and compartments that none of my other gear can, therefore not infringing on gear space in my bags or cases.

If for some reason, I had to buy 2 more batteries, let's say, for this purported battery hog of an un-announced camera, I would have no issues, because they won't add any real weight to the bag, and they can fit in just about any nook or cranny I have available. The only people that might have an argument over 5 extra ounces of weight would be backpackers/hikers.

There has to be something more to “argue” over regarding a 100Mpx R mount body? Perhaps computer specs for such large files? Or more memory cards, faster cards, more expensive cards? Or burst rates of what will likely be 20fps vs 30fps, just due to how Canon prices gear with features? Battery usage isn't really a concern, even if you needed 2 extra batteries over something like the R5.

Just one lens that I might take with me, like the 100-400II is about 20 batteries, so adding just two batteries is an addition 10% of just that one lens.

I would love the battery life of the LP-E6 with the battery I have to use with my M50. That camera only gets me about 300 shots in real use, and that is a bit above the CIPA numbers for the LP-E12, but not alot. My entire M50 kit which has a focal range coverage of 12mm through 250mm fits into the space of just one R mount body and one L lens, and I have 4 extra batteries for that one body. Those batteries are about 1/2 the size of an LP-E6

We really shouldn’t be arguing at all. We don’t know if Canon will make one, but they certainly can if they wish. For sure batteries aren’t going to stop them.

If they do, I’m sure it will be king of the hill for a while…like the original 5D (which as I recall faced similar unpopular opinion initially) or the 5Ds bodies, that no one needed until they had them.

You can’t be the leader if you don’t go there first. We will see.

I believe there is already a 100mpx body in the market, but probably not full frame? I don’t follow other brands very much though.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19430534
I believe there is already a 100mpx body in the market, but probably not full frame? I don’t follow other brands very much though.

Medium format

Capn Jack wrote in post #19430535
Medium format

The pixel density is out there though. Fuji just released a 40mp crop sensor. Initial images look really good and clean.

Capn Jack wrote in post #19430535
Medium format

Is that the Fuji GFX 100?

Battery life isn't an issue with that either, and again if you are careful with EVF settings, you can extend usage of batteries, just like on the Canon bodies.

Looks like a pretty awesome camera if so... other than the 5fps burst rate....